Summer Loving, Having A Blast…

My source says that I should shut up and stop saying what my source says.

In this case, my source is you, the Kings internet community at large. It’s the best source there is and the only source I really care about. Well, there’s one other source I care about more, and he just can’t stop laughing. That source would be me.

Am I allowed to cite myself as a source? No one ever told me the rules. Why are there rules?

Someone told me there was a war going on… some kind of blog war. All I see are a couple of guys in a bar having an animated conversation while the drunks in the dark corners sip their drinks and pray for a spectacle. They won’t get their wish. I don’t like this new reputation of being a rumor site. In fairness, we have posted what would have to be categorized as rumors. Still, we’ve posted a video with boobs in it and I don’t consider this a porn site. Further to that point, for those who accuse us of making stuff up in order to drive traffic to the site, posting the word BOOBS drives much more traffic here than posting any sort of rumor ever will. So in an effort to simultaneously affirm and mock the same group of people…. boobs boobs boobs. Tits too.

I guess its only proper (since we are accused of needlessly riling up the masses I may as well satiate them) for me to give a response to Quisp’s assessment of our accuracy. So here it is… he makes some good points. One of those good points is that he inherently doesn’t believe anything that falls under the category of a rumor. Quisp has always been fantastic at proving his own points and he has given us another good example of that. I don’t mean that sarcastically, it would be kind of weird (not to mention booooring) if he wasted his energy proving other people’s points. So he has convinced a group of people who insist that they shouldn’t believe what we say over here that they should think the way he thinks over there. The wheels on the bus go round and round.

As I said before, I’m not the spreadsheet guy. I quit debate in high school because I hated this whole notion of evidence. Not because I think its wrong, but because I find it tedious. I’m the creative guy, logic and amusement are my weapons. Now you may jump and say “see! you are just being creative and making up these Doughty rumors!”, but you may then, Mr. Evidence, look to the fact that Bobby has posted every single one of the Doughty rumors. He’s the lawyer, he’s the one who enjoys doing things properly, even if he has a mind for the fantastic once in a while, he’s mostly the meat and potatoes, black and white, prove your point and I’ll prove mine, kind of guy. So I’ll leave any real response to him, assuming he cares to make one. I’m the grey matter, the flavor in between. I’m here to tell you how much I love the Kings, how much I hate the Ducks, and how amusing it is to watch the blogosphere freak out, a phenomenon that can’t seem to be helped. It’s like gravity.

It wasn’t Quisp’s point to make the blogosphere freak out with his vetting of this site’s rumor track record. Nor was it Scribe’s point to do the same when middle-manning Doughty information to a group of hockey fans hungry for anything to tide them over until something interesting happens when the team we love finally gets back on the damn ice. However, the fact that myself and Quisp can sit here and calmly say – hey, we like each other – and the blogosphere interprets that as a war and presumes some sort of feigned contention between S&S and Jewels, does prove its own point. That point would be that regardless of what you say, the massive game of telephone that is the internet has a deaf person every few turns. We say “Hey, such and such may happen”, Quisp says “I disagree because of x, y, z”, then the deaf person says “HrMmmnllll Aaaammnnnreee”, which the next person interprets as:

I guess I constantly take for granted that most people like to take life seriously. I’ve never been afflicted by this curse.

The reason I wanted to start this site was because I like discussion and I wanted to generate it with interesting writing. An amusing side effect is that the discussion has gone beyond, been repackaged and sent back to me in a different box for my own consumption. The instigator has become the reactor. The writer, the reader. The wheels on the bus go round and round…

I will promise you that when we make shit up out of thin air here on Surly & Scribe, there will be zero equivocation about its origin. People who intentionally want to be creative don’t need to hide that creativity behind a “source”. That would be like Leonardo DaVinci claiming he didn’t really make any of his artwork, but rather, was told to make it by someone else.

Maybe if we replaced the word ‘source’ with the word ‘God’, people would be more inclined to believe it.

So take us seriously, or don’t. The prerogative is yours. Trust that we have an innate disdain for lying under the guise of fact. Believe that there is a difference between information and fantasy, and that depending on the day or our mood, you can get either one here. Or carry your cynicism where you travel and leave cookie crumbs for the rest to follow. Most importantly, carry on, because it’s nice to be reciprocated. I’m having a blast.



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39 replies

  1. To me, the one not saying anything in rebuttle to childish accusations wins the pissing match. In a tit (SEO strategy) for tat, you can’t piss off a guy who doesn’t really give a shit about your opinion in the first place. Not to say you don’t care of theirs. It’s just simpler to let them cry all they want. Sticks and stones, mate.

    Having said that, let them say what they will. I don’t read their blogs and never will. I keep it at S&S – probably because I have this somewhat convenient knowledge of the fact that it’s a blog ran by fans who have the same kind passion for the Kings as I do…nothing more, nothing less.

    BTW: Where’s the titty vid?

  2. From my perspective, you guys have always been very up front with telling us what you have heard, and when you know it to be true or not. What the hell else are you supposed to do. I understand and accept that you may or may not have all of the details of the Doughty contract negotiation nailed, but I can’t recall you ever claiming that you did. When the contract is finally signed, and it comes very close to what you have been telling us it is, will Quisp still consider you rumor mongers, or will you graduate to legitimate reporters of the situation. I come to this site because you have some of the most reliable information about the team this side of Helene Elliott and the team’s official source, Rich Hammond. I link your site all the time in Kings forums that I participate in because you are so often accurate in your projections. Keep up the good work, and I’ll keep reading and sending others here to share your insights into our favorite team.

  3. Wait, you guys know God? Well, shit-howdy this blog just got so much cooler! Can you ask him to gently punish Marty McSorely for his excessively curved blaved when he gets a chance? Thanks.

  4. wow….really stop making me choke on my diet pepsi from laughing!!!!
    LOVE your blog and your humor….if I wanted to read a newspaper I would take it out from under the chair leg where a folded up piece makes my chair stop leaning……

    GO SURLY & SCRIBE GO!!!!

  5. Just wanted to give you guys a thank you for making a hockey-less summer that much more interesting. Regardless of other people’s perceptions of you I think that, as a fan, you should be proud for stirring up this much drama (whether or not it was intentional). Being recognized (even negatively) by major media outlets should only continue to feed your ego.

  6. - “Maybe if we replaced the word ‘source’ with the word ‘God’, people would be more inclined to believe it.”

    One of the funniest lines I have EVER read on this site.

  7. hey u guys have my support. keep up the good work!

  8. I read you guys to be entertained, not for breaking news. But mostly to kill time between RudyKelly’s posts about dogs on BoC.

  9. So now its “So take us seriously, or don’t” after for weeks you guys have been defending your credibility and your source? This is one of my biggest pet peeves about the blogosphere. One day, you guys are touting your record of breaking news before the “mainstream media” (http://lakingsnews.com/2011/07/29/a-shortcut-to-thinking-is-not-thinking/), another day it’s “hey, we’re just a blog, we just do this for fun!” This is the exact same thing CBGB does over at Hockeybuzz.

    Make up your minds. If you want to be “just a blog”, and just throw opinions out there and random tidbits you hear from your source, go for it. But then don’t turn around and be all high and mighty about your track record and your integrity and how you break things first and how people are overreacting.

    If Doughty ends up signing for around 7 years $50 million, I’m sure you guys will be bragging that you were calling it and all these haters that were naysaying were wrong, perhaps rightfully so. But if the figures turn out to be way off, its “well, a negotiation is always in motion, so we don’t know that we were actually wrong. And hey, it’s just a blog!”

    “Believe that there is a difference between information and fantasy, and that depending on the day or our mood, you can get either one here.” – If this is true, you should be a bit more clear with which is which. If you were being facetious, the last few months make it awfully hard to tell.

    • You completely misinterpreted that. None of the Doughty stuff was fantasy. That’s why I said when we write fiction, you’ll know it. Don’t be so black and white about stuff. Why can’t we report real news one day (and defend ourselves if called into question) and the next day write something for fun? I was saying that we started this site for the fun. The reporting rumor/news aspect has evolved, and there are growing pains in any evolution. This article was a response to people taking us a whole too seriously. We do want to bring you real information when we get it, but we aren’t hockey buzz, whose purpose is to report to rumors. That’s not our purpose. It’s gravy, not the potatoes.

      Have we overreacted in our own defense once or twice or three times? Yes. Fault admitted. Growing pains.

      My point here is to remind everyone of our roots and what we do and why we do it. Ultimately I want to entertain and amuse people. That in no way means I am going to fabricate rumors about doughty in order to achieve that goal. Remember when you had to make Ven diagrams in school? Hammond is one circle – cold facts, that’s it. The other circle is Quisp, as he says, just his own thoughts on things, humorous or serious, no sourcing no reporting. We are attempting to be the area where the two overlap. I’m not going to stop trying to bridge a gap between ‘just a blog’ and ‘news’ because you and others have trouble seeing the world outside a black and white pair of lenses.

      Life is not about either or or. This or that. Life is about all the fun stuff in between and that’s what we want to do here.

      • “I’m not going to stop trying to bridge a gap between ‘just a blog’ and ‘news’ because you and others have trouble seeing the world outside a black and white pair of lenses.”

        So because I don’t like that you don’t make a distinction between your random musings and your reporting of facts, I have trouble seeing the world outside a black and white pair of lenses? That’s really unfair.

        I’m just trying to give you feedback. I don’t have a problem with anything you guys have posted, and believe you when you say that you don’t make stories up or lie for hits. What I mean by “make up you mind” isn’t that you aren’t allowed to be a blog that reports news or a news site that reports opinion, but merely that you should stop playing both sides of the fence.

        Of course you don’t have to, its your blog, you can do whatever you want. I just think you could afford to either A) Stop jumping down people’s throats when they doubt you (at least you admit to doing this) and embrace that you are doing this for fun, or B) Stop using “its just a blog we do for fun” as a cop out and stand by your work with conviction.

        You guys are consistently defending yourselves and attacking people for misinterpreting things you say. Why? If its a blog you run for fun where you can post whatever you want, why does it need defending? If the news tidbits you post are true to the best of your knowledge and you are confident reporting them, why does it bother you so much if people misinterpret? That’s all I’m saying.

        But I suppose I’m just wasting my time if you are going to write me off as someone who only sees life in “either/or” and “this/that”. For someone that says “I like discussion” above, you are quick to dismiss my opinion, aren’t you?

        • Touché Dave, and a great many good points in that post.

          Allow to me address them.

          “What I mean by “make up you mind” isn’t that you aren’t allowed to be a blog that reports news or a news site that reports opinion, but merely that you should stop playing both sides of the fence.”

          I conceptually disagree. What I don’t like is the assertion that we have to choose a side of the fence. Says who? One need not discount the other. Why is there even a fence? We don’t report fantasy as fact, nor do we let facts stifle our creative desires. Sometimes we weave the two, generally in metaphor. I believe they can exist side by side. Post game reports are a prime example of this. One of my specific inspirations for this site was post game reports. I always read them. I want to read them even when I watched the game. Eventually i found myself saying ‘this is boring, I want these facts, assists, goals, descriptions of fights and other hijinks, etc, but the way I’m reading them is just boring”. Such is a typical AP article. Now journalism dictates that if you infuse the plain facts with opinion or some creative fiction (such as making an elaborate metaphor about the way the game was played), an element of credibility is lost. This is what i disagree with. It’s too hard a line in the sand to draw and only in very rare instances do I see hard lines in the sand with anything. I wanted to write exciting post game stories. To use creativity to make for a post game report with feeling, while also giving you the facts of what happened in the game. This was a little tangential to the real point we are discussing, so consider it backstory for general attitude empathy.

          So, Right away, I have a hard time believing that a blog can’t do what a newspaper or newsblog does, while still having it’s own element that ‘proper’ news sources aren’t allowed to do.

          “I just think you could afford to either A) Stop jumping down people’s throats when they doubt you (at least you admit to doing this) and embrace that you are doing this for fun, or B) Stop using “its just a blog we do for fun” as a cop out and stand by your work with conviction.”

          Yes, we could afford to not jump down people’s throats. Here i totally agree and intend to work on being better about this, because truly its usually just shooting from the hip guttural reactions, and not the thought out writing that I typically like to do. I dubbed myself Surly with good reason though. I’m a highly opinionated person and I enjoy arguing, not because i enjoy contention, but because i love the exploration of different thoughts, and quite honestly, the best way to start that is with a degree of hostility involved. The reason being is that I have found on the Internet that people tend to take the time to respond to you more if their is an element of threat or provocation. When i first starting posting on Hammond’s old blog, this was someone i learned quickly. I could make an incredibly drawn out, thoughtful and ultimately sterile non-offensive post, and while people might have read it, they certainly weren’t responding to it. however if i added a little affront (I admit, the black and white comment was meant to instigate), that all changed and suddenly there was a dialogue. The huge downside to this is that if both parties aren’t in the end intelligent people and weren’t careful in further jabbing at each other, the discussion devolved into polarized bickering. This I hate. So that brings me to your last point.

          “But I suppose I’m just wasting my time if you are going to write me off as someone who only sees life in “either/or” and “this/that”. For someone that says “I like discussion” above, you are quick to dismiss my opinion, aren’t you?”

          I am not dismissing your opinion. I am disagreeing with it, which i do rather vehemently. I am making a point that there is an innate sense that you and many many others have, that this site needs to be one thing or another. Is it a blog for fun and goofs? Or is it somewhere i can get real info about the team i love? Well gosh darn it i say, it can be both! Sometimes in the same article, sometimes it’s one or the other. The doughty stuff, hey, we stand by this information 100%, but we also know it might be wrong. Putting your faith in something shouldn’t mean you are diametrically opposed to the IDEA of it being wrong. I find that to be ridiculous, but that is what I see going on, so i can’t help but speak my opinion to defend my way of thinking. To be honest with you, I never liked it when Bobby used the ‘hey I got this right and this right’ defense, but that’s the lawyer in him. I backed him up on it because hey, he’s my friend and co-writer. I’ve told him as much. I like to voice my opinion about the way in which we each look at information. Perfect example of this is my article going into painstaking detail of Lombardi’s usage of the word ‘we’.

          This brings me to another point. While this site is it’s own entity, it is run by two people, who are in many ways, extremely different. This whole thing works because there is a shared passion, but we don’t discuss everything we write before we write it. Well, not opinions at least. We discuss the information or rumors and decide whether to post them or not and how to say things, but when we voice our opinions (such as the article you linked to in your first comment) that is just one of us, in this case Bobby, reacting to something and writing either creatively, facetiously, or both about it. So I have a hard time accepting that we should fall one side of the fence when we are two people. This site is a collection. We share a vision for the site, and often agree about things and have a similar compassion and aptitude for the written word, but the site is multi-faceted in many ways.

          “You guys are consistently defending yourselves and attacking people for misinterpreting things you say. Why? If its a blog you run for fun where you can post whatever you want, why does it need defending? If the news tidbits you post are true to the best of your knowledge and you are confident reporting them, why does it bother you so much if people misinterpret? That’s all I’m saying.”

          The cornered animal syndrome was pronounced and looking back on it, I don’t like that I did that. I refuse to rescind on my desire to combat viewpoints I feel to be wrong, but the nature in which i did it wasn’t always the most exemplary. The blog needs defending because we are proud of it. We put a lot of effort into it, so when things we say get immediately misconstrued and maligned based on a reading of what I write that I find to be at odds with what i meant when i wrote it, I respond… Again, sometimes with too much hostility, which is what i admit i shouldn’t have done, 20/20 and all. I don’t mind if people believe us. Truly, I don’t. I stand by it and that’s that. But when our articles get twisted, when a deal in principle becomes a deal, i get frustrated. Only time will tell if our intel pans out. If it does great. Then you guys can trust us and when we report stuff you can take it for what it is, two kings fans who have a totally irrational love for the team who want to share that with you, and part of that passion is getting information on things we are curious about. If not, and this all ends with us being labeled as hockey buzz 2.0, well that would be a shame. Doesn’t mean we’d stop, because we know what we are and why we do it, and if that part wasn’t solid, I wouldn’t spend my free time doing this.

          So I am not dismissing your opinion, but i I’ll insist it is narrow minded and unimaginative. It is too reliant on a desire to consolidate your reading of this site into something manageable, so that you can enter a frame of mind before reading it instead of letting the stories take you through their own frame of mind. Me being a Surly, opinionated, highly verbose and fantastical person has nothing to do with the information I get and it’s accuracy and reliability. They are not mutually exclusive in any way, they are only challenging to an outdated construct of journalism.

          • I’m gonna give this another day before i declare my point proven that when you aim for intelligent discourse without insult, discourse on the Internet comes to a halt.

          • REALLY enjoyed this well-written and elaborate response until you went and called my opinion narrow-minded at the end. I may indeed be guilty of preferring out-dated, old school journalism. But I hardly believe that a preference for having a sense of what type of piece the writer is trying to write is “narrow minded and unimaginative”.

            You argue that instead of entering with a certain frame of mind, it is better to let the story take on its own frame of mind. I’d argue that this can be frustrating to a reader when your direction may not be as clear as you think it is (after all, everything we write makes sense in our own head), and can actually take away from the overall enjoyment of a piece.

            In the end, it is simply a matter of preference. Obviously you guys have a good following here, and it’s your blog, so you should write it according to your preference. You are welcome to disagree with and even dislike my preference, but calling it narrow minded (essentially inferior) because it is different from your own comes off as a bit elitist.

            In any case, thanks for the dialogue. Kings and writing/journalism, two topics I’m happy to discuss 24/7.

          • Don’t take offense Dave. Surly calls me far worse. There is a reason he is the “Surly” one.

          • Hey Bobby – too bad there isn’t a “Like” button for your comment, haha.

            In any case, I’ve certainly been called far worse than narrow minded many-a-time here on the lovely internet. I just found it odd that he took the time to write out this really solid response and then just kind of tossed that little middle finger in at the end there. But as you say, that’s probably why they call him Surly!

          • Surly is known for the unexpected head butt amid prose.

          • As a fan of the Kings, in the past I have entered the viewing of a game with the expectation of their winning…. this outcome was not always realized though and as frustrating as that may be I returned and remain a big fan.

            So while my love of all things – Kings has brought me here, my expectations have
            been to be entertained regardless of the score. Surly & Scribe win and so do I.

  10. BS we want blood from the blog wars!!!!!!

  11. I just realized something. I lied, I DO take this seriously. This whole business is totally interrupting my reading of the 4th book of ‘Game of Thrones’. If I disappear for a while, that’s where I’ll be.

  12. I’m a pretty devout follower of this blog and some of the comments on here blow my mind. So, of course, I must throw my two cents in. I have never had a difficult time figuring out when you’re reporting fact and when you’re writing for entertainment sake. And, honestly, I think anyone who has any logic shouldn’t have a problem either.

    I think it’s funny that it’s come to this “blog war” because, really, in the grand scheme of things, it comes down to personal preference. I choose to come to this site first because I love the way you two write. I enjoy the down to earth, straightforward, no bullshit way you lay things out.

    In my opinion, there’s no reason why you shouldn’t defend yourselves but, in the end, the fans that are just like you… logical, educated, passionate fans know where your heart is and know why you’re here. And, those fans see past all the drama and bullshit, love this site and just can’t wait for two things; Doughty’s signature and October!!

    • Thanks for the kind comment.

      It’s really nit a blog war though! The Internet is such an interesting place. I have no bad blood with Qusip. I don’t think he does with me. It’s not a war to us, and we are the ones doing it… But does the observing masses make it a war if they decide to see it that way? Does yellow become red if everyone insists that is what it is?

      There’s some serious existential shit going down.

    • Well said, KingGirl. I would just like to jump on board with your assesment of the situation.

      Boy’s, please do not change a thing. The people that read your blog know damn well the two of you supply us with legit info with a touch of creativity and humor. Those who can’t see that are missing something special. There are people out here that appreciate your passion and dedication to both fellow fans and the Kiings. Having said that, you are setting yourself up for criticism when you try and supply info that is questionable no matter the source…..god or not. I absolutely love you guys and respect all you do. Keep up the good work.

      • You know, I was going to write a response to Dave’s excellent comment and questions (above this one) and explain to Dave why what Quisp wrote caused me to react the way I did…then, I read this comment, it gave me pause again and I realized why it was no longer worth it and, most important, to use it as a good lesson about human nature, as most life experiences (large and small) offer. Thank you.

  13. Do we have to pick sides? Has Doughty signed yet? Do we need to consult with Rodney King?

    I really don’t get the anger directed towards this blog. All they reported was an offer made by Dean. It was never reported that it was signed by Drew. If Doughty signs a one year deal, it doesn’t mean that the 7/$50 million offer wasn’t made. It just wasnt accepted.

    I hope you guys don’t stop reporting information that you receive. It would be a sad if you become another lowest common denominator blog. Please don’t dumb down the information provided because some don’t understand what it is you are doing.

    Go Kings Go!

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