Bad Bounces, Bad Luck, Fate & A Good Avalanche Team Beat Kings 3-2

I will keep this short.

Two consecutive losses can be a cause for concern. This is not.

I watched this game while suffering from an upper body injury (flu). My perception could be distorted as a result. What I saw is a LA Kings team that played well. What I saw is a Kings team that was aggressive, created scoring opportunities, outshot and out chanced Colorado and potted two on the powerplay. 5 on 5 scoring remains inconsistent. However, take away that awful bounce off the boards that led to a goal against, the Avalanche looking for their first win at home this season and the sight of LA Kings icon and figuratively (pun intended) larger than life Adam Deadmarsh behind the Avalanche bench and the Hockey Gods were working against us from the puck drop.

Did my eyes, head and general state of fogginess deceive me or did the Colorado Avalanche win nearly ever important faceoff in either zone? While we’re at it, let’s give Colorado credit for their speed, forecheck and winning a ton of board battles.

Parse scored a goal, a beautiful one, and added two more penalties. He has a two game goal streak and four penalties in the past three games.

If I have to be concerned and/or gripe about something, it is Drew Doughty and, again, Dustin Penner. Was that third and game winning goal 100% on Drew? Pretty much. I continue to put what I see (and don’t see) with Drew Doughty on “rust”, to coin Terry Murray. That stops tonight. Did Penner show short flashes of giving a damn but was otherwise the weak link on the top line? Regrettably, yes. We have set the bar so low for him that the occasional hustle from Dustin Penner makes me wish and want to write positive things. I am too dizzy to look up the stats but I would he surprised if he even had a shot on goal.

Back to hot tea, a warm blanket and a good book.



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  1. Ummm, that’s a “middle body” injury.

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  2. Weird game. Terrible bounces. DD looks slow out there. I kept telling him to do something with the puck but he’s too slow. I think he’s been hitting those donuts on a massive scale since he hurt his shoulder. Sorta like comfort food. He’s covering up his double chin with that beard.

    Nothing you can do about those weird, stupid ass bounces. Rack up up for the next one all they can do now. When is Phoenix moving so we can pick Tippet up as head coach???

  3. ?

    Penner played pretty well imo. Drew two penalties, took it to the net, won battles in the corner, had two really good hits.

    Even though we doubled them up on shots they had waaaaaaaaaaaaay more odd-man rushes, breaks into the zone with the puck and speed, etc. Our forecheck was retarded today. One pass is beating like 3 forwards and sending their swift forwards off to the races. dumbdumbdumb

    • the only clip I saw of Penner last night was O’Reilly cross checking him in front of the net and knocking him to his ass. Remind me again: Penner is 6’3″ or 6’4″? why the hell is he getting knocked on his ass in front of the opponents net? Is he a freaking panda bear …errrrrr. glass tiger? Step it up and play your size you big dummy!

  4. From Helene Elliot on Twitter:

    “kings outshot colorado, 32-16. only kings not to be credited with shot: Greene, Johnson, Scuderi and Penner.”

    So ya, the only forward without a SOG…

  5. Parse has six penalties in the last three games.

    Not sure what you watched Bobby, but the Kings never attacked the middle and Colorado had more scoring chances. Shots from the point and boards /= chances. The Kings only get space on the PP. 5-on-5 has been horrible all season.

    • I will take your word for it. Reality distortion is my friend tonight.

    • This. For some reason people are just looking at the shot totals tonight (I’d like to tell Helene how dumb her comment is about the shots). I counted at least 5 rushes by COL in the 3rd period alone that were very high quality plays, and we come back and they’re in good position or we dump it in and lose it. Not all of those rushes led to shots or scoring chances, but they were one bounce or inch away from connecting beautifully and putting away an easy goal.

      Lots of single breakout passes are beating our forecheck. I’ve noticed a lot of teams making a nice pass right up the middle to the curling center who has lots of space and time as well while we’re cutting off the boards/wings.

      • RE: Helene, it just seems like it was intended to pile on Penner. SOG in a single game is not really telling anybody anything about what happened on the ice. We can cherrypick stupid stats all day to support all of our varied opinions.

        • I’m sorry, but he is a top six forward: there is absolutely no reason why he should not have at least 2 SOGs per game. He is not on the checking line and plays with two great, play-making forwards in the league (Kopitar and Richards). For a man (?) his size, this is absolutely unacceptable, especially since all he needs to do is park his ass in front of the net and knock in rebounds – that is good for 1-2 SOGs in itself.

          • Have you heard of variance? He could have shot the Puck yesterday, but then it would have been another low quality scoring opportunity instead of a nice move to beat a couple players and draw a penalty.

          • variance is the difference between events or measures using the same metric or indicator – not a completely different measure. SOGs are not the same as drawing a penalty. Yes, I acknowledge that drawing a penalty is also valuable but he is a top 6 forward not because he can draw a penalty- he was brought here to get his big ass in front of the net, drive to the net, and swing his stick at everything that resembles a little black piece of petrified plastic (do not confuse this with Stoll swinging his stick at every little sun-tanned piece of ass that has had one too many Red Bull’s and vodka). You can defend Penner all you like: although the facts remain that he has played, what 35 games as a King? – and score 4 goals? and makes Frolov look like the model of hockey consistency.

          • Variance, as in some games you get a ton of shots, others you get none.

            I’m not defending penners play over his entire tenure as a king. The criticisms are well deserved. I don’t think criticism every game is deserved, however. I don’t think this game was one of his piss poor efforts.

      • You refer to 5 on 5 I assume. PP looked good. There were ups and down moments. I didn’t see it as badly as you did but what you wrote is not unfair.

        • Yeah, 5 v 5 I them no they were playing well against us despite us outshooting them. So much speed into the o zone, so many nice rushes. I noticed that the first period, and I have now forgot about the second period, but the third was just as bad.

          At some point you should abandon or alter your forecheck and get more guys back. Let them make the mistake and then jump on it instead of letting them expose us while we try to force the play.

    • Not sure what you watched Bobby, but the Kings never attacked the middle

      This begs to differ. Look at the shot chart. It’s all there. The Kings DID attack the middle – more than the Avs did.

      and Colorado had more scoring chances. Shots from the point and boards /= chances.

      … Don’t buy it. The Kings held the edge in scoring chances, according to the graphic on the Avs’ feed. If I remember correctly, their numbers were 9-6, edge to the Kings.

      The Kings only get space on the PP. 5-on-5 has been horrible all season.

      … Overdramatic much? The Kings have scored 17 goals at 5-on-5 and have allowed 14. They have 27.8 shots on goal per 60 minutes at 5-on-5, and have allowed 27.7. These are not “horrible” results.

      Quick just wasn’t sharp. But it’s not on him; he shouldn’t have even been out there in the first place.

      • So you’re saying I wasn’t loopy and seeing things…thanks for the vote of confidence. Although, the next day, the game is a blur. Did Quick really play last night on a back to back? I woke up this morning and paused for a moment to make sure I didn’t dream that.

      • My problem with those 5-on-5 stats JT is that I am positive a few if not several of those goals were scored immediately after a PP. You know the ones I’m talking about, where its basically a PP goal but officially its a 5on5 even though the 5th player doesn’t factor into the play.

        Just another general problem I have with raw numbers.

        • My problem with those 5-on-5 stats JT is that I am positive a few if not several of those goals were scored immediately after a PP. You know the ones I’m talking about, where its basically a PP goal but officially its a 5on5 even though the 5th player doesn’t factor into the play.

          … OK, let’s look into that, game-by-game.

          Game 1 … 2 EV goals, neither one right after a PP

          Game 2 … 1 EV goal, not after a PP

          Game 3 … 1 EV goal, not after a PP

          Game 4 … 1 EV goal, not after a PP

          Game 5 … 4 EV goals, not ONE of them coming directly after a PP – Gagne’s goal in the first was around three minutes after a St. Louis penalty expired, Stoll’s in the second was over three minutes after a PP, and the last two EV goals were in the third, and the Blues took no penalties in that period

          Game 6 … 1 EV goal, scored a minute and a half after a Phoenix penalty expired

          Game 7 … 1 EV goal, scored before Dallas took any penalties

          Game 8 … Kings shut out, welp

          Game 9 … Kings got 4 EV goals, and not one of them – here, first one by Williams was in the second period before Dallas took a penalty, second one by Parse over two minutes after a Dallas penalty, third one by Voynov in the third period before Dallas took a penalty, and the fourth one by Brown into the empty net fully four minutes after the last Dallas penalty

          Game 10 … Kings got two EV goals, neither one directly after a PP, closest one was Kopitar’s goal at 6:30, 41 seconds after a Phoenix penalty expired, more than enough time for a Coyote to get his ass off the bench and get on the ice

          Last night … No EV goals

          Well, you tell me. I couldn’t find one instance of what you described. If you can find what I couldn’t in the reports I linked, enlighten me. And damn you for getting me to do work on a vacation … these are billable hours, I hope you know.

      • Kings have 16 ES goals in 11 games. 1.45 per game. They had 152 in 82 games for 1.85 per game. Not sure what math you are using, but 1.45 per game is lower than even last year (22nd in the NHL). With this lineup, that is horrible.

        You don’t win very many games only scoring 2 goals. Do you still think Quick wasn’t responsible for the Kings great start? Quick returns to normal and the Kings are 1-1-1 with a Bernier loss thrown in there.

        • Kings have 16 ES goals in 11 games. 1.45 per game. They had 152 in 82 games for 1.85 per game. Not sure what math you are using, but 1.45 per game is lower than even last year (22nd in the NHL). With this lineup, that is horrible.

          … Well, you’re taking out empty net goals, which is fine. It doesn’t really change the numbers too much. I’m not really interested in how high or low the 5-on-5 numbers are, as long as the Kings are outscoring and outshooting the opposition in those situations, and so far they are doing that – barely, but they are.

          “With this lineup”??? You mean the lineup that has almost zero scoring beyond the top six? The lineup that was missing the best offensive defenseman on the team for most of the season so far? I think you might be overrating the lineup. Not only that, the Kings are top ten in PP and PK efficiency, so thus far in the very early season, the Kings haven’t needed to dazzle with their 5-on-5 play. That may or may not change as the season goes on.

          Do you still think Quick wasn’t responsible for the Kings great start? Quick returns to normal and the Kings are 1-1-1 with a Bernier loss thrown in there.

          … Quick’s play has been a reflection of the team’s play, as so often is the case with goalies. Do you really think Quick stole any of those games they won? Which one of them, if any, were the Kings outplayed? Again, I’m not trying to say Quick didn’t play well – he did. He did a great job in those shutouts, as the Kings did a great job in front of him. The Kings have been shit in front of Bernier, so that argument goes nowhere.

          • Aren’t the Kings 5-0-1 when being outshot? Why does it matter if the Kings are putting more weak shots on net than the other team?

            Winning 3-2 is about normal in the NHL now. Scoring less than 2.5 per game is below average. The Kings are well below average. Do you really believe that this year’s team is less talented than last year’s team?

            How are you quantifying “The Kings have been shit in front of Bernier”? The Kings outshot the other team in both of his games. Are you saying that stats don’t always tell the whole story?

            BTW, Smyth has 5 goals and 10 points in 11 games. 8 points at ES. Another player released from the Murray “offense”? Most said he was washed up and finished as an even strength player. Murray fans better hope he tails off in the second half again. Penner also was able to score with Edmonton last year.

          • Aren’t the Kings 5-0-1 when being outshot?

            … This is misleading, at best. If you look at the six games in better detail, you get closer to the truth.

            vs. NYR – Kings were being outshot 19-12 until the third period, and were losing that game until they tied it with five minutes left in the 3rd (where they outshot the Rangers 13-8 in the period), then won in OT

            at PHI – Quick’s best game of the season; he was magnificent, and there’s a case to be made that he stole that game

            vs STL – Shots were even in the third period (18-18) when the Kings went ahead 4-0; after that moment, the game was out of reach, and the Blues outshot the Kings 9-6 the rest of the way

            vs PHO – Kings were up 2-0 after two, shots were virtually even (18-17 in favor of the Coyotes), the Kings were outshot 10-5 in the third as they went into prevent D

            vs DAL – Shots were, again, virtually even (25-24 Stars) when the Kings got their lone goal of the game

            at DAL – Again, very even in the shot column after two (24-21 Stars) with the Kings getting better chances and up 3-1 going into the third

            Scoring less than 2.5 per game is below average. The Kings are well below average.

            … The Kings are a bit below average overall, at 2.36 per game. Again, they’re well better than their opponents, at 1.91 per game. I expect both figures to rise as the season goes along.

            Do you really believe that this year’s team is less talented than last year’s team?

            … Well, you tell me. Would Ethan Moreau and Trent Hunter make last season’s team? I think the Kings have a better top six and a worse bottom six than they did a year ago.

            How are you quantifying “The Kings have been shit in front of Bernier”? The Kings outshot the other team in both of his games.

            … This has gotta be ironic posting, right?

            The Kings were dominated in the second period of the Buffalo game, getting outshot 13-10 in that period and clearly outchanced. The Kings ended up with more shots at the end of the game because they were in comeback mode, being down 4-1 by then.

            In the New Jersey game, the Kings failed to score and were being outchanced in the first two periods, allowing several odd-man rushes. Again, the shot total for the game favored the Kings because they were in comeback mode in the third, down 3-0.

            The Kings were absolutely shit in front of Bernier, and anyone who saw those games knows it.

            BTW, Smyth has 5 goals and 10 points in 11 games. 8 points at ES. Another player released from the Murray “offense”?

            … Uhhhh, the Oilers have scored fewer goals than even the Kings have. You’re gonna say that’s a better offense, now? How does that work?

          • Replying to both of you, as I think you both are correct in different ways.

            “`Aren’t the Kings 5-0-1 when being outshot?’

            … This is misleading, at best. If you look at the six games in better detail, you get closer to the truth…”

            The part you didn’t quote was this:
            “Why does it matter if the Kings are putting more weak shots on net than the other team? ”

            Which is a valid point. Lots of our shots are from poor locations.

            I think Moreau could have easily been in our bottom six last year.

            We most definitely sucked ass in front of Bernier. I think both of you would agree, and maybe you didn’t pick up where Sydor was trying to go with the comment.

            Finally, FUCK Smyth.

          • I think Moreau could have easily been in our bottom six last year.

            … Would you play Moreau in front of:

            Ponikarovsky
            Handzus
            Simmonds
            Clifford
            Lewis
            Richardson

            No way.

  6. Holy smoke, I just read Terry Murray’s post game quotes and they nearly mirror mine. That’s it. My mind is gone or I am dreaming this whole thing.

    • Well, now you know what it takes to get there.

      I thought that the end of the game was emblematic – final minute – Avs. took penalty, we pulled JQ, we have 6 on 4 and on our final rush (not counting DD carrying and shooting in final seconds)we cannot carry into the zone but must dump and chase. Meanwhile, Avs repeatedly entered our zone with possession w/o much trouble. This won’t get it done.

  7. Didn’t watch the game, but is it safe assume that this whole “we lose when we outshoot the opponent” thing is more than an anomaly and has officially become a trend. There has to be a reason for it… Maybe Quick needs to face more shots to get in his game, along with the forwards taking more care in the offensive zone when they have fewer chances? I don’t know… Just spit balling, but this kind of a pattern is starting to upset me.

    • You’re wrong. It’s all about the shot mentality. Doesn’t matter if it is from Hunter shooting from the boards or a blue line slap shot from Greene. Shots=wins.

  8. Drew Doughty has the worst one timer in the league. He either floats it waaaay over net, or fans. Just so happens his fan today resulted in Kopi’s goal but he needs to work on that thing. He had a few fanned one timers yesterday and couple of floaters/fans today. Does anyone else notice that? And Scribe hit the nail on the head with his line about Penners expectations be set so low, that we want praise the smallest things. It’s true. He was involved in a few cycles and threw a decent hit or two and all of a sudden I was ready to pick him up on my fantasy team. It’s a damn shame isn’t it…..

    • Drew Doughty needs to switch from a 9-iron and go with the 3 wood. That guy’s “slapshot” hits the glass more than the net. As for Penner, he didn’t bug me that much tonight. The guy definitely plays flat-footed quite a bit, but tonight seemed to be playing harder which is not what I could say for his lackluster play vs. NJ. Trent Hunter will be wiping up the food bar at Hometown Buffet before New Year’s. Also, Scott Parse loves to take stupid penalties. Speaking of Hometown Buffet, what’s up with Deadmarsh!? I love that guy, but he’s getting into the “we should sit him down and have a talk with him” territory.

  9. I was at the game tonight and noticed a couple of things… in the first period he actually made a really nice move to get into the slot but failed to pull the trigger. A goal scorer pulls the trigger from the position he was in, and a good one will light the lamp more often than not. The second observation was also in the first… as the play was leaving the zone, with the Avs in possession, Kopitar got knocked down along the boards, got back up, and still beat Penner back to the bench. To me, the guy is just lazy, and lacks the killer instinct to be a top line forward. I really think they should bump Richardson up to his slot and put Penner down on the third line… maybe he finds the net a couple of times then you put him back up, but right now he’s mostly worthless on that line.

    The other thing is TM needs to figure out this goalie situation and figure it out fast. He benches Quick while on a 3-game shutout streak, and then plays him on the 2nd half of a back-to-back in which the 1st game went to overtime. I’d really love an honest explanation of his logic on both decisions (not that I’ll get one anytime soon).

  10. Dear Santa Claus,

    I’ve been reall good this year. I didn’t cheat on my wife (except in my masturbatory binges). I kept my illegal drug consumption to a minimum (most of the time). And I cleaned up after my dogs when they pooped on the street (and not toss the bag of crap into my neighbor’s bakcyard). And all I want for Christmas is for Drew Doughty and Dustin Penner to break each other’s legs during the next practice and both be out for the next six to eight months. Don’t kill them Santa, because that would be bad. Just keep them away from the team until the season is over and I promise that the next animal that I slaughter I will dedicate to your glory. Thanks, Santa.
    Sincerely, Longsufferingkingsfan

  11. You did this, Scribe.

    We coulda won the game — despite Dutch’s oppressive statistical inevitability — if you had only stayed away from the TV.

    But, no-o-o-o. You hadda cough your flu-infested aura over EVERYTHING. Thoughtless bastard.

    Do us all a swell. If you’re not recovered by the next game, dip your ass in Vick’s Vapo-Rub.

  12. Doughty definitely needs to simplify his game for the time being and make better decisions.

  13. JJ moves to first line LW. Call up Voynov. He plays with Scuderi. Voynov plays on the PP and not Doughty. At least for now. Kopi is the only player allowed to shoot on the PP. At least 5 on 3 and 4 on 3. Maybe just a couple of exceptions here like Richards. But no Stoll, Doughty one timers into space. Penners mandatory position is right in front of the goalie. And last one, to Terry, for fuck’s sake ADAPT to the opposition.

  14. Sorry you are/were under the weather Bobby..
    I too saw a speedy hustling Colorado team.
    We played ok..
    I do not like Penner up with Kopi..broken record on that gripe. Pens does seem to try…in spurts..
    I keep hoping for that guy that used to play with those damn ducks..Am I a dreamer? He makes some great no look passes, behind him, to the side of him, you can see those soft skilled hands at work.
    Doughty was better..less hesitation. It is interesting that the whole style of the King’s play changes when Doughty takes the ice. Little more time for him and
    we might see some great stuff between him and the
    new guys.
    GO KINGS GO!!!

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