I Would Like To Apologize

This is the second game to which we have given away tickets. It is also the second home game the Kings have been shut out, given the fans nothing to cheer for and have, in general, sucked total ass. Or to put it poetically, been more distasteful than giving a rim job on a humid day.

I’m admittedly superstitious in a nonsensical way. I thought the three pennies I got in change for my edemame at Yardhouse were good luck.  Turns out that wasn’t true. However, if the Kings play like this when our reader VagabondJim attempts to enjoy his free tickets on Tuesday against the Predators, I may have to cancel this whole ticket giveaway altogether, for the good of the team.

Or maybe I’ll just start a campaign to banish Terry Murray from Los Angeles.

Right now, both seem like equally reasonable and viable options.

Scribe will write a real post game when he gets home.  For now, you can commence your bitching here.



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  1. DL won’t fire TM midway through the season, but I have been saying TM needed to be gone since last year.

    He was a great coach to get us where we are, building a young team up and being sound defensively, but that only goes so far. He obviously has no offensive schemes in his book. It’s not for a lack of players.

    If we don’t get to at least the conference finals, TM should be relieved of duties.

  2. Time to let Murray go. He now has the tools but cannot understand offense. His D will leave our players better but its time to realize that we need O. John Stevens might help there?

  3. So much talent! So very little chemistry. :/

  4. This was brutal. I decided I had enough of studying this evening and needed to relax by watching some kings hockey…bad idea. Our offense is non-existent.

  5. Everyone but JT Dutch would agree Murray needs to go.

    • “Well it’s not his fault; the players aren’t buying into his system.”

      or

      “If we stilled had Simmonds, we wouldn’t be having these problems. Simmonds is just as good as Richards.”

      I can already hear it before he even reads it.

    • Everyone but JT Dutch would agree Murray needs to go.

      … OK, if you think that firing Murray is supposed to be the solution and that everyone is magically going to play better offensively, be my guest. But – who do you get to coach the team? How many coaches are you going to allow the GM to fire before he takes some responsibility for the makeup of this team – the team that he created?

      Don’t you think it’s a bit early to be talking about major shake-ups? Don’t you think it’s a bit early to panic? The team’s played twelve games. They still don’t have a losing record. They’ve still scored more goals than they’ve allowed. They’re still in the playoff race. They just lost to a very hot team; a team that has beaten quite a few other teams before today. They’ll have a few chances to make amends for this loss later in the season.

      I’ve never said that Murray was any more than an average head coach. If you want to say someone else is better for the job than he is, great; that’s awesome. But who? And why would that person be a better candidate to lead this team? I said from day one of all of this that the team as it stood was being overrated by many of the fans, and that they weren’t all that better than last season’s team – if they were even better at all. There are players on the team, key players, who aren’t firing on all cylinders yet. There are other players who haven’t yet grown accustomed to their new roles, or their new teammates.

      The team wasn’t going to go 82-0 even if everything worked perfectly right out of the gate. They’ve lost all of five games so far. So we’re gonna throw up our hands and say “enough”??? This is a marathon, not a sprint. If you’re going to expect the team to have enough collective grit to get through to the end, show some grit as a fan and show that you’ve been a fan long enough to act like you’ve been there before.

      I remember a season a long time ago, not long after I first became a fan of the Kings. The Kings had just hired a new coach, Pat Quinn, and a new GM, Rogie Vachon. They had what was, in my estimation, a pretty good team that was ready to make a return to the playoffs. There was a certain degree of excitement, and of optimism. And, what happened? The team started out 0-6-3. I wonder how the internet would have reacted, if as many fans used it then as they do now. Actually, I don’t wonder. I’m sure almost all of them would have called for the heads of the new leadership on a platter; called for trades, callups, etc. Thankfully, the leadership didn’t panic. They knew that the team had 71 games left to go. The team turned it around. They ended up with a winning record, and they made the playoffs. And, in the playoffs, they gave the defending World champs the toughest series they experienced on the road to their second Cup.

      There’s plenty of time left for this team to find its way. I’m in favor of letting them find it.

      • I didn’t read all of that (not due to a lack of respect, just because I have to run in a minute, I’ll read it in a couple hours).

        My statement and then question to you is this…

        I feel Dean Lombardi has done a great job. Have their been mistakes along the way? Sure, every GM on the face of the Earth has made a mistake. They say once you get hired, that you are now fired, you just don’t know when you’re getting the pinkslip.Almost every GM, good or bad, gets fired at some point in their career (let go is the PC way).

        My question is: Do you really think it is Dean Lombardi’s fault for the way the players are playing right now?

        Is Dean Lombardi the coach?

        Yes, it is early. And it’s the same lousy offense I’ve seen for a couple years now. Players out of sync, dumping the puck, having our second line be a quasi checking line. It’s ridiculous.

        If you watch any of the other top teams in the NHL play, you will see what I am talking about.

        So the season turns out like last year, or maybe we get lucky and go to the second round.

        You really think TM should keep his job?

        You really think he is maximizing talent?

        If you answered yes to any of those 4 questions then there is really no point arguing with you as you obviously are disillusioned from the majority of the Kings fans thinking.

        That’s not meant to be a knock on you personally, just my own opinion on your beliefs on the Kings.

        I can’t fathom how anyone can honestly say Terry Murray is the right coach for this Kings team.

        He did his job in building the team up; for that I commend him. But just as every other coaching job he’s had, that’s really all he is good at.

      • JT, allow me to go traipsing through your logical fallacy.

        First of all, shall we also go through all the teams that started off hot and then tailed off only to miss the playoffs? Lets put anyone through that. Lets not remind anyone of all the huge collapses this team has suffered at all point of seasons budded with promise. Shit, the funniest part is that when people get excited about a hot start, you generally Waltz in to bring everyone back down to earth with just those types of examples. So allow me to shirk the argument of Pat Quinn’s first season off our shoulders as anecdotal nonsense.

        But just for a second lets pretend that example was relevant. Its still wouldn’t be relevant. You can’t use an example of a new coach and new GM stepping into a team, starting a season roughly then voing on have a great playoffs as an allegory to this season when neither the coach or the GM are new.

        If you want to argue that we should stick with Terry Murray, fine. If you want to argue that there are other more pressing problems, such as personnel, fine (even though you’d be wrong) If you want to argue That there isn’t Even a problem to begin with, go right ahead. But please don’t use such trite arguments for no reason other than to be a contrarian. Don’t just say that our expectations are too high without saying what needs to change to meet our expectations. We should expect great things from This team. We should outright demand it. If you think we are over rating the Kings then you automatically must agree that something should change, unless ofcourse you are content with mediocrity. I am not.

        Do I think changing the coach will ‘magically’ help the offense? If its the right coach you bet your ass I do. Do I know who to hire in place of Murray? Well I don’t know who all the up and coming AHL or CHL coaches are. I do think Stevens couldnt be worse. I absolutely do not think we have a personnel problem when it comes to top 6 scoring. I firmly believe our impotence is a coaching problem. I’ve thought for 2 years now that the Kings. An at times thrive in spite of the system, but they generally they look very frustrated attempting to execute it.

        How many coaches does DL get to fire? At least one more. That’s how many.

        • Forgive all the grammar and autocorrect mistakes. I can’t edit from my phone.

        • … Sure, there are teams that start off hot and tail off later. Kings’ teams have been known to do this, too.

          Shit, the funniest part is that when people get excited about a hot start, you generally Waltz in to bring everyone back down to earth with just those types of examples.

          … You are right! That’s just my way of looking at a long season; I don’t get too high or too low. I save those extremes for the playoffs. I don’t see the point of making a big deal over ten or so games, and my anecdotal example wasn’t meant to be a true parallel between that situation and this one, it’s just meant to be an example of how foolish it is to panic so soon.

          If you think we are over rating the Kings then you automatically must agree that something should change, unless ofcourse you are content with mediocrity.

          … Yeah, I would ordinarily ask what this even means, or where you’re trying to go with it – I said early on that this team was being overrated, and the jury’s still out on whether it is or not. How does that equate to agreeing that something should be changed? Right now, the team is doing really well in certain areas and struggling mightily in others. But it’s a small sample of games; it’s early. I still see the Kings as a good team, but a flawed team. Over time, we’ll see if they prove me right or wrong.

          If you want to argue that we should stick with Terry Murray, fine.

          … What I actually said was if you’re going to say Murray should be fired, well then tell me who you’d replace him with. And …

          Do I know who to hire in place of Murray? Well I don’t know who all the up and coming AHL or CHL coaches are.

          … you don’t know. OK. Well, it doesn’t seem as if anyone knows. But there sure as hell seems to be a lot of people who just KNOW that Murray’s a failure as a coach this season after twelve games, like they have a crystal ball telling them how the rest of the season will shake down. You’d think those crystal balls would show who the replacement head coach would be, too.

          If you want to argue that there are other more pressing problems, such as personnel, fine (even though you’d be wrong)

          … Hahaha. I’d be automatically wrong, huh? Is this you doing your “LALALA I can’t hear you” bit? As I said, we’ll see whether I am wrong or not.

          How many coaches does DL get to fire? At least one more. That’s how many.

          … Absolutely. I think he should receive a lifetime contract and never be held accountable for anyone he hires. He’s shown that he deserves it; after all, let’s fondly recall all the years he’s won anything of note:

          • It’s not LALALAing to think we have an impressive roster of NHL talent and to think that they are as a group capable of more.

            “… Yeah, I would ordinarily ask what this even means, or where you’re trying to go with it – I said early on that this team was being overrated, and the jury’s still out on whether it is or not. How does that equate to agreeing that something should be changed? Right now, the team is doing really well in certain areas and struggling mightily in others. But it’s a small sample of games; it’s early. I still see the Kings as a good team, but a flawed team. Over time, we’ll see if they prove me right or wrong.”

            Where am I going with it? I’m going with your statement that the Kings are a good team but that we are overrating them. Overrating has to refer to thinking we are cup contenders. Well, that’s what I want, that’s what you should want, a team that is a cup contender without anyone overrating anything. If you don’t think we are cup contenders, well then something has to change in your mind to make us cup contenders, unless you are content with having a team that isn’t a cup contender… thought that one was obvious.

            Also, stop pretending like everyone is jumping on the fire Murray bandwagon out of the blue as a panic move based on 12 hockey games. This is an opinion many of us have held for a long time, we have put up with Murray and hoped to win in spite of him. We weren’t all hunky dory with him and now, suddenly, we want him gone. Its just another needle on the camel’s back that is buckling. You may urge patience, but many of us feel that patience will only lead to the camel’s back breaking before it can be saved. Do we have a crystal ball? No…. but no one does in regards to any decision. With every move comes the chance of the unknown, nothing is a sure thing. Are you so unwilling to consider a risk? What a pointless thing to say “we don’t have a crystal ball”. Neither do you when you think that the team will normalize. You think that our offense will get better and defense get worse… well that results in mediocre. Again, I demand more than that. What is wrong with wanting an offense that is top 5 and a defense that is top 5? If I remember correctly, this exact notion was put forth by DL two years ago when the defense got into the top 5. He said great, now the offense needs to get there too. I’m asking for a lot, but so is asking for a Cup, so god damnit I’m going to ask for a lot, expect a lot and be pissed with less.

            Furthermore, lets bring up another issue, one very close to your heart.

            The goalie situation.

            You have frequently voiced that Murray can’t handle goalies. Well, is there not something to be said for the impact handling goalies has on the rest of the team? Switching goalies when the team is on a winning tear doesn’t affect the entire team in some way? Is it a coincidence that this recent nosedive has taken place immediately after he fucked up the rotation? Have you not said that we would have been better off in the playoffs the last two years if he had handled the goalies properly?

            I feel like in this argument you are not representing your own feelings, feelings commensurate with long held opinions you’ve shared vehemently. I feel as though you are merely trying to put forth this image as the calm sage in the midst of the mad mob. That’s fine, if that floats your boat and makes you feel all warm and fuzzy and proud. I just don’t understand why you will get so passionate about Simmonds, or Bernier, or defending Penner or trying to tame the high hopes for Richards, but when it comes to the team as a whole, you will put forth any argument to quell that of the masses, even if it isn’t in line with opinions you’ve expressed intensely as recently as a few weeks ago.

            Question, would you be having the same reaction if people wanted DLs head instead? You’ve long wanted him gone. If we were all calling for him to be fired, would you still preach temperance?

            At what point do you stop preaching patience and begin calling for action?

          • Where am I going with it? I’m going with your statement that the Kings are a good team but that we are overrating them. Overrating has to refer to thinking we are cup contenders.

            … Correct.

            Well, that’s what I want, that’s what you should want, a team that is a cup contender without anyone overrating anything. If you don’t think we are cup contenders, well then something has to change in your mind to make us cup contenders,

            … Without going into it player by player, because I already have done that more than once, I’ll just say that yes – changes need to happen on the team. Mostly, the changes have to do with the roster, and its depth. The real issue with Murray as far as I’m concerned is correctly deploying the talent that’s at his disposal. But there is talent in the minors that should be used at the big league level, and isn’t. That’s just as much on Lombardi as it is on Murray.

            I know what he’s trying to do with his system, and it will work better once the newer arrivals and those who have changed roles are more familiar with what their jobs are within that system. I think the system works when it’s executed properly. Right now, the Kings as a whole are just not executing the basic elements of their system, and on top of that they’re not getting a whole lot of breaks.

            Also, stop pretending like everyone is jumping on the fire Murray bandwagon out of the blue as a panic move based on 12 hockey games. This is an opinion many of us have held for a long time,

            … Well, he hasn’t had this group for any more than 12 games.

            With every move comes the chance of the unknown, nothing is a sure thing. Are you so unwilling to consider a risk?

            … Haha, well all I will say is that if you’re wishing to take a risk, be careful what you wish for. This was supposed to be THE YEAR, right? The time is now! Now we’re on the clock, right? Well, the pressure’s on. Do you want to risk making a change and possibly sabotaging this critical season? I’ll bet you that Dean Lombardi doesn’t. You wanna know why? If he makes a change, and the Kings flop, he’s on the cutting block.

            You think that our offense will get better and defense get worse… well that results in mediocre.

            … Nah, they’ll score more than they give up, over time. They’ll be on the plus side. Whether that translates to more points and more wins, I can’t say – but it should.

            Again, I demand more than that. What is wrong with wanting an offense that is top 5 and a defense that is top 5?

            … LMAO! Well, demand whatever you want, but the Kings aren’t that good right now. I mean, there’s nothing wrong with me wanting a mansion on the Malibu coast, but I don’t have the money for it right now. Might wanna get back to reality, here, alright?

            I’m asking for a lot, but so is asking for a Cup, so god damnit I’m going to ask for a lot, expect a lot and be pissed with less.

            … Uhh, I dunno man. If you’re asking for a Cup, well, have fun being pissed I guess?

            You have frequently voiced that Murray can’t handle goalies. Well, is there not something to be said for the impact handling goalies has on the rest of the team? Switching goalies when the team is on a winning tear doesn’t affect the entire team in some way?

            … Well, there are minor adjustments from one goalie to another, based on each goalie’s playing style. But that’s the whole point of alternating them, in my mind. Get the team to learn early on, and also give the goalies a chance to get their feet wet with the new personnel of the team. I wouldn’t have gone with the “ride the hot goalie” plan, myself – but I at least wanted Murray to stick to his own plan and respect the streak the team was on. Again, this is my biggest issue with him – he doesn’t use the right players and he doesn’t stick to his guns.

            when it comes to the team as a whole, you will put forth any argument to quell that of the masses

            … This is just you exaggerating, again.

            Question, would you be having the same reaction if people wanted DLs head instead? You’ve long wanted him gone. If we were all calling for him to be fired, would you still preach temperance?

            … I’d just like to see the guy held accountable. He’s no better a GM than Murray is as a head coach. They’re both average. Murray is Lombardi’s guy; hell, Lombardi built the team around what he and Murray wanted – the FlyersLite. If Murray goes down, Dean should too. They are both on the line.

            At what point do you stop preaching patience and begin calling for action?

            … If they’re on the fringes of, or out of the playoff race at the halfway point, then it’ll be time to act.

  6. On another note, does Kopitar look a step or two slower the last few games?

    Maybe it’s just me because I had to switch to watching hockey on the internet now that DirecTV decided I didn’t own FSW anymore even though I’ve watched the first 5 games this year, but I have the feeling he may have some sort of small injury that’s keeping him back. Or that the lines just don’t have chemistry at the moment. I don’t know.

  7. My hoarse voice just got on Kings Talk. I enjoy making Nick and Daryl laugh. One of my few talents…

  8. Sorry, not buying it. We are still tied for 5th in the west, and it’s a LONG season. We won four, we lost three. The immediate removal and an entire system change is unnecessary UNLESS it’s the best one possible, and that is usually remote.

  9. Guys, it’s not panicking to want Murray gone because of a lack of 5-on-5 offense. This has been a consistent problem his entire tenure here. Current standing, earliness of the season, new personnel, whatever, these things have made no difference to the plain fact that the Kings have struggled to score at even strength under Murray. This is my biggest complaint and this is none of the arguments against my point thus far mean anything to me.

    We have a good record so far, which is thanks to three things, a good power play, good defense and some great goaltending. These are important things, but none of them is utimately as important as 5-on-5 offense and in this area we have consistently failed to deliver, hence my and others griping.

    • We have a good record so far, which is thanks to three things, a good power play, good defense and some great goaltending. These are important things, but one of them is utimately as important as 5-on-5 offense and in this area we have consistently failed to deliver, hence my and others griping.

      … The Kings have a great 5-on-5 defense, easily top ten in the league, and that’s just as important as 5-on-5 offense. The Kings have a top five power play, a top ten penalty kill, a top ten overall defense, and top five goaltending. That’s a lot of categories where the Kings compare favourably to the rest of the NHL. Now, I’m not surprised that you’re picking out the one thing this team is lacking, and bitching about it. Hell, I’d love to have a team that’s top five in everything too, but the fact of the matter is that no team in the NHL is going to sustain that kind of perfection across the board over a full season.

      I don’t see the Kings finishing the season with a shooting percentage of 6.5%, which is where it is now. I think the Kings have better shooters than that, and the team has shot better than that in the past couple of seasons. So, I’m willing to bet that the Kings’ offense improves as the season goes on. I understand they only have 70 games left to right that ship, after all.

      This is my biggest complaint and none of the arguments against my point thus far mean anything to me.

      … You can put your fingers in your ears and scream “LALALALALALA” all you want. It wouldn’t be the first time.

      In fact, while you’re doing that, I’ll just post a couple of quotes from The Copper and Blue because they amused me with its accuracy. Ahh, who am I kidding? I nearly choked from laughter while reading these bits.

      There wasn’t much bad tonight, except for Theo Peckham. He seemed lost once again, struggling with the puck before turning it over to Ethan Moreau for what should have been a scoring chance if Moreau wasn’t so bad

      Jack Johnson’s awful play was on display tonight. Scan down through the “Johnson” column in the head-to-head chances chart: he lost the battle to nearly everyone in an Oilers’ sweater. It’s not entirely his fault – the Kings are playing him in a top 4 role when, even on his best night, he’s a bottom-pairing guy. The Kings have him locked up for six more years at 4.36 million per year, an overpay of only $3.5 million per year.

      … Anyways, have fun panicking!

      • Why wouldn’t I harp on the one thing that is bad about the team?

        Should I harp on the things that are good?

        Should I not harp at all?

        You tell me I’m panicking yet you agree with this assessment of Johnson? Shit, if you agree that our #2 defensemen is a bottom pairing guy, then YOU should be panicking my friend.

        • Shit, if you agree that our #2 defensemen is a bottom pairing guy, then YOU should be panicking my friend.

          … I actually think that at this stage he should be converted to wing, or at least something of a rover – which could work out pretty well for the team, seeing as how they want to find a spot for Voynov.

          • While I have always wanted to see Jack at wing, I’ve long since put aside that notion as something that would never happen, atleast not under Murray. Drewiske at wing? Duh, why not! But Johnson? Never.

          • atleast not under Murray.

            … I don’t think ANY coach would have the cajones to move Jack to wing, and face the music if the move doesn’t work out. This isn’t something exclusive to Terry Murray.

          • Moves like that are viewed as a product of desperation.

          • I don’t believe that. There’s nothing wrong with trying something out for a few games. Brent Burns got tried at forward. Would the music really be that awful if you tried Jack at wing for a week and it didn’t work out? So you move him back, big deal… its not like he’s going to forget to play defense. It’s not as bad as trying to force Boyle into defense.

  10. Damn it, I was at the Devils shutout game and I’m going to the game against the Preds on Tuesday. If they get shutout again because you keep giving away tickets, I’m going to be pissed.

  11. On another note….the fans last night were very blah. Usually it is really loud upstairs but last night it was the sounds of silence. In order for the team to realize you have not completely given up on them they need our support. Yes I know Dustin Penner is not playing steller (as the guy behind me in the Kings jersey talked non-freaking stop about) but he is not the entire team and if they have a bad night then share the blame. Also the guy behind me kept saying how can the Kings let the last place Oilers beat us…..hello read a newspaper or turn on the computer and figure out that right now they are in first place in their division.

    Stop making me want to punch stupid fans for saying idiotic things!!!

    PS: Surly you should have thrown the three pennies over your left shoulder in front of the statue of Wayne out front of Staples for perfect luck. :)

    • Yeah… it wasn’t loud at all. I tried in the first, no one joined in. That depressed me. Then the team depressed me.

      • They need a new consession stand for Xanax to combat such moments of hockey doldrums!

        And you did try but what about the “duh…duh…duh”???? Always go with a proven good one!

        • I couldn’t. I only ever do that when the Kings’ are leading. Remember, I’m superstitious, so I won’t do a “___ sucks” chant until they have shown suckage. That doesn’t apply to fans, I have no qualms chanting that other team’s fans suck at any time, but I didn’t really see any Edmonton fans last night.

          I hate it when the first thing Dieter plays is the Addams family ____ sucks thing. Its way too premature. The Kings have to earn that chant.

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