The Article I Never Thought I’d Get To Write About Jonathan Quick

In the young season, Jonathan Quick has been the Kings most consistent player along with Kopitar. Between the two of them, there is one, maybe two wins that we can’t pin squarely on one of their team-carrying shoulders. Kopi has continued on his path of becoming a dominant NHL center in all aspects of the game. The only thing he doesn’t do is punch people, but why should he when he has Simon Gagne to do that for him?

Quick, some may say, is simply ballooning like he does at least once a season. An incredible gust up to be following by a pronounced draft of average. We’ve seen this from Quick before, he conquers the world only to give it back piece by piece. Several reasons have been cited, the most notable of which is being overplayed by Terry Murray. Weaknesses in his game inevitably get pointed out when a bridge falls over the moat and the brick wall cracks.

Regardless, praise has been deservedly heaped heavily upon JQ to start the Kings’ season. He proved unbeatable for the longest stretch of any goalie in team history. He has given up very few questionable goals. Certainly no game has been lost this year as a result of poor goaltending.

Will it continue? Can Quick keep up his pace as one of the top 5 starting goalies in the league?

I think he can, and here’s a big reason why.

The unsung story of the season thus far is Quick’s puck handling. Sure, it’s been mentioned in passing that it has improved, but not enough has been said about the monumental leap he has made in this, the weakest aspect of his game, or the ripple effect it has on the team’s play. We’ve seen Quick improve his shortcomings before. It was just over a year ago that all you had to do was shoot high to beat the goalie who was quicker to drop to his knees than a guilty Christian. You thought I was gonna make a blowjob joke, didn’t you? For shame. Quick worked on this problem and now his glove flashes on a nightly basis to catch the shots that once regularly sailed past him like a porn star dodging her first money shot. You know me better than that.

We also know that Quick is a workhorse in practice, the guy who treats every meaningless wrister like it’s the last he’ll ever face, who prides himself on stopping his own teammates in the morning as he does his opponents the evening. There was several times last season when I wondered if Quick would ever be able to apply that boorish work ethic to his puck handling.

Well here we are nearing the end of 2011, 17 games into the season, 14 of which Quick has started, and not one goal against has been the result of Jonathan mishandling the puck. In the past, by now he would have been good for at least 2-3 goals against from unforgivable turnovers behind the net. The kind of goals that deflate a team and destroy momentum. How quickly we recover from the habit of cringing every time he comes out of the net to play the puck. It is easy to forget the heart attacks we experienced once or more per game when Quick flubbed a pass or bobbled a puck. Silly, how little credit we have heaped upon him for this critical development in his game.

That is truly the purpose of this post, to bring attention to this fact, something we have all noticed but spent little time discussing. It may seem like a small thing, particularly since the prevailing attitude beforehand was that we can tolerate Quick having this flaw because his amazing speed, flexibility and overall ability to keep his team in a game make up for what is ultimately a talent of lesser importance. Brodeur and Turco are really the only goalies in the modern era who ever had their puck handling praised or even pointed out for that matter. Generally this is just something at which a netminder is expected not to suck, and while I am not comparing Quick’s new-found aptitude with his stick to those two, I am saying that this development in his game is manifesting itself in much stronger play overall for both Quick and the team. The importance of Quick now being able to move the puck quickly and accurately to his defensemen regularly should not be underwritten. It both helps the team get started on offense while simultaneously crushing the opponent’s attempt at a forecheck. We can spend other articles combing over the flaws in the system that come after this initial pass, but at the least this once common problem for the team is rectified.

I think the Jonathan Quick we have been seeing is the one we will continue to see, both because of his improvement at puck handling, as well as the reason for it improving in the first place – that determinate work ethic and ability to learn from mistakes. I even believe that if he is grossly overplayed again, to the tune of 70-75+ games, he will have learned from the past that saw him tired out as the season wore on. Like Kopitar before him, I believe we are seeing a player take the strides from being good to achieving greatness.

We may not want the Kings to rely on Quick to win every night. We may crave more goal support. But how lucky are we, to have a guy like Quick who is capable of making almost every game winnable with or without it.



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  1. All I want to know is how much will it take to re-sign him? If he wants Pekka Rinne money no dice.

    • What do you see as a fair raise? He’ll at least command 4 per, and that’s on a discount. His market value will likely be 5-6 easy.

      • I give him 4 years 18 million. He’s a slightly above average goalie. If he wants to go play in St. Louis, by all means, but he wont be as good there as he is here. Or most other places for that matter.

        I still believe Bernier is a legit #1. Call me crazy.

        • Bernier is an immense talent. His technical proficiency, positioning, nearly perfect glove hand position at all angles and even when moving lateral is a sight to see for those, like me, who eat that kind of stuff up – the details. However, what Bernier lacks which Quick has right now is experience and the opportunity to learn from adversity. That is simply because he hasn’t played enough games and especially enough pressure filled meaningful games. When he has been placed in a stretch of games, he has shined.

          Regarding Quick. he reminds me in so many respects of Marc-Andre Fleury. That butter fly goalie with tremendous flexibility, agility and absurd reflexes. You can’t teach that.

          We are very blessed to have these two in net.

        • I didn’t motion Bernier for a reason in the article. I agree that Bernier is a legit 1 in his own right. I used to be confident saying that he would be better than Quick. I am no longer confident saying that.

          I wanted to take Bernier out of the discussion for a moment and say that Quick is becoming a star goalie in front of our eyes. I disagree that he is a slightly above average goalie. If he tails off again this season then you Have a point. But I don’t think that will happen. He has the attitude Oh a world beater and all the skill to get him there.

          • We shall see……..anyway one of the two is going to St. Louis or elsewhere. It hurts me more to know Bernier will be the one traded for some reason.
            Who knows? Quick may just win a Vezina. We shall see……

  2. Nice write Surly.. Quick deserves it!
    GO KINGS GO!!!

  3. One of the most great things about Quick is his size. He can really hold is own in there when guys are crashing the net. Look how Bernier gets knocked around and down. Nothing he can do about it, but it’s something Quick just has that’s great.

  4. He did have that one gasp-inducing grossly mishandled puck in a recent game, I think it was in the Preds game? He fired it up the left boards right to the other team and barely got back into position in time. But overall, yes, it has been much snappier and more precise this year.

  5. The being over played falls on the shoulders of the coach. I think Quick would tell TM is he was tired, or might have some sort of upper or lower body injury.
    For the record, this is not a bashing of TM, just an observation and question about cetain things he has said, and certain issues he was accused of while coaching another team.
    Fanfest 2011: TM says this season he is going to play Bernier more than last season, in order to get JQ some rest. It’s only 17 games in and Bernier has played in 3 games. Based on how many games Bernier has played in, Bernier on pace for 15x games according to my match. That means Quick will play in 67 games. I thought I read Bernier will play closer to 20+ games maybe 30, maybe someone knows what the answer is, I just can’t recall how many games Bernier was slated to play in.
    Maybe only TM and JQ know the reason why after 3 straight bagels, TM uses Bernier. The response to that question was that TM had already penciled in Bernier for that game in advance. This is a contradiction of TM saying he is going to ride the hot goalie, for as long as he is playing well or becomes tired and is asking for a rest.
    I was watching every analyst, from Hockey Night in Canada, NHL Network, Versus, and every one had said JQ should have been used because he was hot. Before the game NHL Live assumed JQ would be playing, every pre-game hockey program was also assuming the same thing.
    I don’t believe everything I hear from most of these analyst, especially Pierre LaBrun and Dr. EJ Hradek who has been saying how good Crobsy looked in practice, and he was sure Crosby was going to be playing as far back as 3 weeks ago.
    I do have an issue with JB only having 15 games this season, unless something happens and he needs to be used. Practice aside, JB sitting on the bench, and when called upon needs to get the WD40 to get the rust out scares me.
    I have full confidence in JB, however his style of play is much different that JQ and the defense plays differently.
    JB seems to calm things down when he is in net, while when JQ is in net the defense seems to be much more agressive.
    You are spot on with the puck play of JQ, like Mike Millbury said “if your goalie can’t handle the puck very well, he’s not doing his team any good, just let the d come back and take it from there”.
    My only flaw I see in Quick is not so much high glove, stick side low, it’s 7 holes. He seems to get scored on when the puck is directed underneath his armpit down to his elbow. He doesn’t close that little gap, and pucks tend to get through there when it appears it should be a pretty routine stop. Even with the body amour that goalies use today, shots to that spot hurt the most, because the ribs are not really protected by a baseball catchers pad on steroids. This I know from frist hand experience.

    • I have noticed that same spot with Quicker that you are referring to…
      Hopeully Hextall has as well and will be adressing it.. because Quicker is
      a excellent student.. he just keeps growing and growning.. I think we are SO
      LUCKY to have him as a King! Some good observations .. TU
      GO KINGS GO!!!

  6. Between the two of them, there is one, maybe two wins that we can’t pin squarely on one of their team-carrying shoulders.

    … I don’t buy this at all. The Kings have a very good defensive team; this has been true since the beginning of the Terry Murray era. I’ve never seen anyone complain much about the defense of the team, yet it’s the most underrated element of it – especially when I have to read time and again about how Quick is “stealing” all the wins or “carrying” the team on his shoulders. Bullshit. The defense has carried the team as much as Quick has, perhaps more so. The only game I can point to that Quick stole was the OT win in Philadelphia. That’s it.

    Will it continue? Can Quick keep up his pace as one of the top 5 starting goalies in the league?

    … Once he becomes one of the top five, then we’ll see. Again, the Kings’ defense makes Quick’s raw numbers look better than they actually are. The best goaltender in the league right now is Khabibulin. Lehtonen has been better than Quick. Backstrom’s been better. Lundqvist and Rinne have been better. Mike Smith has been better. Many goalies have been impressive so far this season, and we’re not even at game 20 yet. Give it time.

    He proved unbeatable for the longest stretch of any goalie in team history.

    … Care to expand upon that? Are you talking about the three shutout streak? If so, who gives a shit? How long is three games over the course of a season? It’s a meaningless record. Great goalies put up great seasons, not great three-game stretches. Manufactured little “records” that don’t really mean anything is one of the most frustrating things to endure while following sports in this day and age. Can’t “sell” a certain player to the public? Create a “record” for him! Maybe he’s the best goalie on Thursdays when the moon is full against teams west of the Mississippi not named after an aquatic or semi-aquatic-based lifeform! Get that on the media notes, stat.

    The importance of Quick now being able to move the puck quickly and accurately to his defensemen regularly should not be underwritten.

    … So, instead you’re overwriting it. Quick has improved in this category. He’s average at best at handling the puck. Just because he’s not bad at it anymore doesn’t mean he’s great.

    I even believe that if he is grossly overplayed again, to the tune of 70-75+ games, he will have learned from the past that saw him tired out as the season wore on.

    … If he starts that many games again, the head coach should be fired on principle. And the whole premise of “it was the 70+ starts that wore Quick down” is a myth, and it’s sad that a couple years after the fact people still spout it. Quick played 72 games in 09-10. He had a save percentage of .903 in his first 36 games, and a save percentage of .910 in his last 36. He wasn’t a tired goalie in those playoffs. He was a bad goalie in those playoffs, as he was a below-average goalie that regular season.

    Quick is improving. This season, he might end up as an above-average goalie. The most frustrating thing about Quick really doesn’t have anything to do with him personally. He’s a hard worker and a model guy from all I can see; I like him. The problem surrounding Quick is the misinformed head coach and fans who constantly overrate him, who create little meaningless “franchise records” for him, to the point that some actually believe that the team’s best course of action is to give Quick 60+ starts this season, when there’s a quality goalie who is younger that’s rotting away on the bench. Quick’s never shown himself to be consistently good enough for that kind of workload, nor has he ever shown himself to be consistently good enough to keep a quality young goalie on the bench. But it is what it is – barring Quick absolutely falling on his face, Bernier will never get a full shot with this organization. It’s like this franchise and some of the fans are afraid to see who truly is better; that it would interfere with their personal feelings and biases. My problem isn’t with Quick, it’s with his fanatics.

    • Dutch.. don’t you think of all the positions Goalie is the one it takes longest to
      mature into? Quicker still pretty young.. I think maybe the way he wowed us in his
      first season made people forget just how young he is.. not a seasoned vet like many teams have. And you are right about our D. I tend to single focus on one at a time during the game.. or my replay of.. and really see some great plays by
      Scuds/ Greener/Mitchell/ and esp of late JJ.. Doughts.. still waiting to say Wow.. what a play..and
      Martinez as well.. ( not saying I don’t like him.. just can tell by his play he is still
      a newer Pro NHLer.. and he finally had a very good game vs. Wild..loved his goal aand he gets hurt!)
      GO KINGS GO!!!

    • “The only game I can point to that Quick stole was the OT win in Philadelphia. That’s it.”

      I didn’t use the term stole, now did I?

      Carrying the team is different to me. Maybe I’m splitting hairs, but stealing a game means you win because of one player when you have no business winning – meaning everyone else played like shit, one guy dominated and won the game for everyone. To me, carrying a team means being the best player on the ice. Kopitar and Quick have been the Kings’ best players on the ice game in and game out.

      “Once he becomes one of the top five, then we’ll see.”

      If the raw numbers don’t make him top 5, then how are you judging that those other goalies have been better? Do you watch every game they all play? I will admit that I don’t. Based on GAA and SV%, Quick is top 5 among starting goalies.

      “Care to expand upon that? Are you talking about the three shutout streak? If so, who gives a shit? How long is three games over the course of a season? It’s a meaningless record.”

      OK now you are getting uppity just for the hell of it. Yes I am talking about the shutout streak, but clearly you saw that and then only saw red, because you’ve added context to it that doesn’t exist in my article. Its a fact, that’s all. The preceding sentence was that praise has been heaped upon Quick, this is true. Just because that praise hasn’t been coming from you, doesn’t make it less true. That 3 game shutout streak is one of the reasons why he has been lauded this season, league wide. The next sentence I wrote was that he’s given up few questionable goals, another reason why. There is no expansion needed because you are adding weight to the statement that I never gave it.

      “Just because he’s not bad at it anymore doesn’t mean he’s great.”

      And I specifically said he’s not great at it, dufus. The entire point of this article is missing you. I should use you in my next ‘porn star dodges semen’ joke.

      Quick FIXES THINGS HE SUCKS AT. He improves. That’s the point I’m making. You’ve have this mindset, and have since Quick got here, that what we see is what we get, that he’ll always be average – something you’ve said time and again. You’ve gone as far as to say he’ll never be an all-star in the past. Oh sure, you tossed in that he’s improving in your last paragraph, but nothing you have ever said about him supports that statement. You even degrade your own statement that he’s improving by following it up with that maybe he’ll BECOME above-average.

      You can’t even come up with a flaw in Quick’s game or his play. All you can say is that Bernier should play and fans shouldn’t get so excited about him. You make it really hard for one not to believe that your view of Quick is just as much affected by the way in which people like him as it is the play of the man himself.

      Come on, this tidbit says it all for you:

      “The most frustrating thing about Quick really doesn’t have anything to do with him personally. The problem surrounding Quick is the misinformed head coach and fans who constantly overrate him, who create little meaningless “franchise records” for him, to the point that some actually believe that the team’s best course of action is to give Quick 60+ starts this season, when there’s a quality goalie who is younger that’s rotting away on the bench.”

      Quick has never shown himself to be worth a big workload? Excuse me but you have a goalie that keeps you in virtually every game, steals a few here and there and gives your team a chance to win so long as they are scoring goals, then you have a goalie who deserves a big workload. Keeping your team in games night in and night out does not equate to average. Average goalies bomb out every so often or struggle. They make it harder for their team to win just as much as they make it easy for them.

      You have a dogmatic view of Quick that I refuse to accept, particularly since its fairly clear much of your opinion on Quick’s game has to do with your feeling Bernier is better and is getting hosed by the team, which however true that is or is not, has nothing to do with an evaluation of Quick and his own future as a goalie.

      Your last statement proves that. I made no mention of Bernier. I never said Quick SHOULD get 70+ games. I never said a peep about how many games I feel Bernier should play. That’s a totally different, and in the scope of this article, IRRELEVANT, point. Ask me that and I’ll say Bernier should play more than he is, but also that Quick does nothing to warrant getting taken out of the lineup. I’ll say that I think Bernier has all the potential in the world and I hope to see him reach it. That if Bernier is better in the end, then so be it, dump Quick and let Bernier win us the Cup. I don’t have personal attachment to either. I think Bernier WILL be great once he is given the chance to play more, and I think Quick is already great.

      You’re constant efforts to marginalize one of the team’s best player is sad. You may think everyone overrates Quick. I insist you continuously underrate him, and I also firmly believe that if Bernier didn’t exist, if the Kings just had some journeyman shit backup and no one else in the pipeline, you wouldn’t go to these lengths to prove Quick isn’t all we crack him up to be, only to undermine your own points by saying you have no problem with Quick, but just with the fans.

      • To me, carrying a team means being the best player on the ice. Kopitar and Quick have been the Kings’ best players on the ice game in and game out.

        … Kopitar, I’ll buy. But Quick? I mean, he hasn’t been pulled yet; that’s good. I don’t really see Quick as being the best or second best player on the team. I don’t know if the team has an MVP beyond Kopitar, but it’s hard to pick a number two for me. After Anze, there are a lot of guys bunched up. Quick encompasses one area of the team by himself – goaltending. Has the goaltending been better than the defense? Hard to say. They’ve been a reflection of one another, like they usually are. This isn’t the case of a goalie who’s holding opposing teams to few goals while getting no defense in front of him.

        If the raw numbers don’t make him top 5, then how are you judging that those other goalies have been better?

        … Because those goalies I mentioned, although they’re just out of the top five in save percentage in some cases, are playing behind worse defenses. It’s pretty simple.

        Yes I am talking about the shutout streak, but clearly you saw that and then only saw red, because you’ve added context to it that doesn’t exist in my article. Its a fact, that’s all.

        … A meaningless fact that you used to help support your article.

        Oh sure, you tossed in that he’s improving in your last paragraph, but nothing you have ever said about him supports that statement. You even degrade your own statement that he’s improving by following it up with that maybe he’ll BECOME above-average.

        … Quick was below-average in 09-10. He was average in 10-11. He may be above-average this season. THIS IS IMPROVEMENT. I did not degrade any of my statements.

        Quick has never shown himself to be worth a big workload?

        … Not in the last couple years, no.

        You have a dogmatic view of Quick that I refuse to accept, particularly since its fairly clear much of your opinion on Quick’s game has to do with your feeling Bernier is better and is getting hosed by the team

        … I’ve never said Bernier was better, only that Bernier looks to me to be the goalie who will have the better career when it’s all said and done. Yes, I believe that Bernier’s getting hosed by the team, of course. Yes, my feeling about Quick’s playing time is obviously affected by the fact that the Kings don’t have some shit backup; that they have a goalie who is ready to get a real chance and isn’t getting one.

        Ask me that and I’ll say Bernier should play more than he is, but also that Quick does nothing to warrant getting taken out of the lineup. I’ll say that I think Bernier has all the potential in the world and I hope to see him reach it.

        … You hope to see him reach it? How do you propose he reaches it? It won’t happen by sitting on the bench and watching a goalie that was average last season and poor the season before. Bernier deserves a chance, and as long as he’s on this team, I’m going to call for it. There are two goalies on this team, and I don’t care to talk about one without referring to the other, especially when they both deserve to play a good share of the season. I prefer not to pretend that only one quality goalie exists on this team.

        I also firmly believe that if Bernier didn’t exist, if the Kings just had some journeyman shit backup and no one else in the pipeline, you wouldn’t go to these lengths to prove Quick isn’t all we crack him up to be, only to undermine your own points by saying you have no problem with Quick, but just with the fans.

        … I wouldn’t go to these lengths? Holy shit, do you ever read the posts I write? I go to unusually long lengths to provide facts about as many players on the team as I can. And how does saying I have a problem with Quick’s admirers undermine any of what I say and have said about Quick? That’s something that you’ve made up in your mind, to cover for the fact that you can’t prove anything but your own biases. You use only the statistics that favor your point, even going so far as using discredited statistics like goalie wins and goals against average, numbers that are completely team-dependent; and ignore and ridicule all others that are incompatible with your biases. It has been this way since the first time I talked with you. You tell those who disagree with you to “watch the games”, when you already are aware that they do.

        The fact that anyone is taking this article as a slight against the team defense is really stupid.

        … If you’re overrating a goalie that benefits from a very good defense, then yes you’re slighting that defense to a certain degree. The Kings have a known defensive head coach, who employs a known defensive system of playing hockey, and the team is made up of some very impressive defensive talent – and yet you’re willing to say that Quick is a co-MVP of the team without making mention of that team defense. This is a slight, whether you want to believe it or not. it’s just another case of something that isn’t compatible with your biases being disregarded and ignored. That’s all it is.

        • I’m not sure how to argue against a person who is insisting I am making points I am not making. Who believes that saying one player is good means other players are not. Who thinks that saying that Quick has received praise for a shutout streak is akin to using that as a supportive argument of unrelated points. Who defines the ability and/or desire to separate talking points points as bias.

          Shall we give the Art Ross trophy to a team offense? Or perhaps we can give Terry Murray’s system the Norris. Perhaps a goalie and his defensemen can all accept the Vezina together. The Jack Adams should have 26 names on it.

          Nothing happens in a vacuum. I don’t need this pointed out to me. Im sorry I offended terry Murray’s system on your behalf by claiming that Quick is one of our best, most consistent players. You seem to think that the team defense makes Quick less of a talent. I don’t need to be told that team defense factors into goalie performance. Just as opposing defense factors into team scoring, and opposing offense factors into team defense, and what the fucking players ate for breakfast and how much sleep they got factors into the way they play at night. I said that roses are nice and you said fuck off, don’t insult the soil.

          So hostile JT. As if I’m the only one with biases. You can continue to believe that you are the arbiter of reason and rationale, the scale than cant be unbalanced, but that doesn’t make it a Truth. I laugh when I read ‘discredited stats like GAA’. You are the one who has discredited them. You parade your own bias around as fact. I can successfully argue that every stat is team dependent. Save percentage, goals, assists, even fucking ice time is team dependent, because again, there are no vacuums in sports or most of life. I don’t need to be told this isn’t golf.

          Continue making these extraneously points, to be right, to be an asshole, I don’t know. Insist that i need to talk about team defense when I don’t. Shake your fist at the sky that I am the totalitarian of bias when you can’t even tell me what my bias is, other than that I just disagree with your assessment of a player, and assessment you are so solidly convinced is fact, that you have to believe that anyone who disagrees with it must just be blind and biased. That’s the definition of bias my friend. We aren’t talking about things that you can undeniably prove, as badly as you may want to believe that we can, so your points will always undeniably have an element of bias, as will mine. You accept mine as little as I do yours. But please, Insist these things, insist we cant talk about Quick without talking about Bernier and how unjustly he is treated. Whether your parents loved you or neglected you is equally relevant.

    • Some great points. The defense really is helping Quick a lot. He doesn’t really have to make many highlight reel saves.

      • Is highlight reel saves the barometer for how good a goalie is? Does it matter if Kopi scores 30 goals that look pretty?

        Lack of rebound chances against doesn’t show up on the highlight reel, does it?

        The fact that anyone is taking this article as a slight against the team defense is really stupid. Our defense is great. Is the point here that the defense AND the goalie can’t be great? Is the point that is one is great, then the other must not be? You know highlight reel saves generally only happen because a defense fucked up, right? What’s the point? What a useless comment “he doesn’t have to make a lot of highlight reel saves” THANK GOD HE DOESN’T! Its good for everyone and it doesn’t take a damn thing away from Quick in any way shape or form.

    • Furthermore, is this post payback for all the times you’ve accused me of putting words in your mouth, or do you not see that you are shoving words down my throat that I didn’t even hint at?

      • Huh? I have no idea what you’re talking about.
        I mean, you’re right in a way but the fact is Mitchell and Scuderi and others don’t get the credit they deserve. All I’m saying is Quick is good but Kings defence is better.

        I don’t even know where the other stuff came from? Putting words in your mouth?

    • Dude do u seriously just look for ways disagree with everything and everyone? im serious man its becoming more and more clear to me that you know precisely dick about most things you comment about. sometimes you put it some stats you can find but most times its just you bitching and contidicting people. if you hate the team so much theres a team based around katella and the 57 fwy im sure youll fit solidly into. otherwise just shut up im tired of seeing you opinion on everything that is written on here.

  7. I think Dutch is a douche!

  8. Funny that there are some who believe Berneir will eventually develope and surpass Quick. As if Quick is topped off, and eventually Berniers hard work will carry him into the coveted franchise goalie. I have seen no evidence to support that yet. Every step that Bernier takes, Quick takes 2.

    When Quick was a rookie, he gave up some bad ones due to lack of concentration. He had wins, but didn’t have the stats to back it up. He made some bad passes to hand the puck to opposing forecheckers. He was always swimming in the crease, or sliding out of position with over exaggerated all or nothing 2 pad stacks, and his poke check missed more times than not.

    This summer the only 2 weekenesses left were his stick handling, and his positioning. Right now he’s putting it all together, and those 2 weeknesses are not even an issue. I think the last hurdle for Quick will be stamina, and consistancy over time.

  9. Wow, some heated discussion you’ve got going. Not going to call anyone out by name cause that’s not my style.. but sounds like some people in here are “pots calling the kettle black”.
    I agree, that Quick has a lot going for him. He does learn more and more with every practice, game, mistake, etc.. and that’s great, because without learning there is no room for improvement which I’m sure we all know… I truly think that the team does play differently when Bernier is in goal than when Quick is in goal… but that’s not to say that either way is better, it’s just different.. Quick boosts, while Bernier calms, Quick has less puck handling ability, Bernier is more skilled with the stick, and I can’t say those are flaws, just reasons that the team MUST play differently… When Bernier has the team calm, the pace changes, they don’t have to rush for pucks to control situations because the game flows differently and they know with his puck control, they don’t have to push situations, whereas with Quick he gives them confidence he can make the saves, but the team knows they have to rush to help with his puck handling and that in turn keeps the pace moving a little faster.. I’m sure the argument can be made that the reason they have more confidence in Quick’s save percentage as opposed to Bernier’s is not because one is better, moreso that they play more often with Quick and are familiar more with his style, which could very well be true, but either way, the style, pace, atmosphere, whatnot, are different for the entire team depending on who is in net.. Yet… These are same basic points you could have with everyone else out on the ice! You’re gonna trust Matt Greene to dislodge the plexi-glass with some guys face before you’d expect him to score 30+ goals, yet you’d expect the opposite of Kopitar.
    Quick’s 3 game SO streak is impressive, as it would be for any goalie to do so, if it had been Bernier, I’m sure his supporters would be overjoyed, and yes, I do believe that he has the ability to do the same. The thing about the arguments being made in some of the replies that really is bugging me… is that Bernier is better, and could be better than Quick, and that he deserves to play more than Quick, all because Quick is overrated, and praised by fans.. Well, what do you factually base that on, the handful of games Bernier has played as opposed to the numerous ones Quick has? Can you not make the argument that some of you are more fanatically inclined to praise/overrate Bernier and therefore are taking it out on Quick because he does get favor in the eyes of “misinformed coaches”, fans, team mates, etc… Perhaps Bernier will be brilliant and magnificent later in his career, but it’s possible, that critics, fans, coaches etc see that Quick is going to reach that milestone ahead of Bernier, and are giving him the opportunity to reach it, I don’t see how some of the comments against Quick shouldn’t be taken personally quite honestly, because his percentages and game play don’t reflect the amount of disdain he seems to be attracting. As it was already stated, we are only 20+ games into the season, there have been some bouts of questionable play by the entire team, and there have been bouts of outstanding play as well, and that goes for goaltending too!!! I’d like to also point out that, despite being “overplayed”, “tired”, “overrated”… it’s quite impressive to make it to the playoffs with that heavy load on your shoulders, and your shoulders alone… It was put out there that Quick wasn’t doing as well back in 2008, and he wasn’t tired then.. yet when he was tired last season and the season prior we somehow managed to make the playoffs..?? Hmm.. go figure.. perhaps that’s only further proof of his ability to evolve, having to work so frequently, and be pushed to the limit, only makes his impressive numbers and game play that much more impressive… perhaps THAT is enough to make fans, coaches, and gm’s want to keep you in net..

    • The thing about the arguments being made in some of the replies that really is bugging me… is that Bernier is better, and could be better than Quick, and that he deserves to play more than Quick

      … I have never said that Bernier is better than Quick now. I have never said that Bernier deserves to play more than Quick.

      What I actually said was that Bernier, by virtue of him being a quality goaltender now and three years younger than Quick, looks to me to be the one who will have the better career when it’s all said and done – if he can get a chance.

      If you’re going to debate my posts, that’s cool. Call me a name, troll me, etc. Fine, all good. At least READ my posts first. Is that too much to ask.

      • @JT, I’m sorry if you feel that I was pinpointing you in my comment, because I was not only speaking about your posts, I was referring to all of them in one lump. I didn’t want to highlight people and their specific comments, because that would take up time I just don’t have to argue about things such as this. By that I mean, you have your opinion, and I have mine, and we are both entitled to them, and though you have your small points, I have mine, and others on this page have theirs, you are not likely change someones views completely no matter what you have to say. I did pull some of your specific comments, and I’m sure that is partially what gave you the impression that I was referring solely to you in my comment, however, that is not the case at all. I was only using them as further comments that had stuck in my head.

        I’m not gonna call you names, that’s childish, and I don’t mind debating things because as I said, you do bring up some good points, (now whether I am fond of the way you present them and how they come across is another thing entirely) and I did read your comments, and that is why I’m going to ask you, to take note of the fact that I did not “reply” to you specifically, and the reason is again, I was not just commenting on you and your opinions, I was commenting in general, and giving MY SOLE opinion on the entire page of comments that I had read.

        I will say, while I agree with the fact that Bernier is a quality goaltender, and deserves to play a little more often, I do NOT think that him being 3 years younger means anything at all. If you can bare with me, and answer without getting your panties in a bunch, I’d like to hear why you think that him being younger gives him an advantage (provided he were played more)? I do, also THINK you sell Quick short (which is fine and I accept that it is your opinion). He is a good goaltender, and does deserve some applause. Whether Bernier could be better or not (not saying that you said he could) isn’t really an issue anyway at this point, because right now, for whatever reasons that are unknown to all of us, the coaches and fans and whatnot, are decidedly sticking to Quick. Whether deservedly so in your opinion, or mine, and anyone else’s for that matter, that’s just the way the cards are dealt right now.

  10. Elite players seperate themselves by their work effort before and after the game. Every season Crosby gets knocked on some aspect of his game and he dedicates himself to conquering that in the offseason and usually comes back to dominate in that category. Stamkos, Robitalle the same thing. Even Paul Kariya( once a Duck, always a Duck so I dont legally have to check if I spelled that right ) understood this.Quick will earn the right to be called an elite goaltender in this league not because of the D in front of him or natural ability but because he works like a Jamaican immigrant with six jobs. We love you buddy.

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