How Do The L.A. Kings Measure Up To Scotty Bowman’s “5 Golden Principles”?

From Dmitry Chesnokov, we get the 5 Golden Principles from Scotty Bowman’s coaching manual titled “The Art of Coaching the Team During the Game:” 

I won’t answer them in any detail here. I will offer my general thoughts as it relates to the L.A. Kings.

1. Surround yourself with the best personnel! Running the team is a team effort.

Let’s see. John Stevens and Jamie Kompon. Those are the right and left hand of our coach Darryl Sutter. The “best” personnel? Jamie Kompon? That’s a good one.

2. Be creative!  Only when you try to create a goal you can achieve that goal.

Are the L.A. Kings a creative team in all aspects of the game? Lombardi is a defense first, defense last GM. Marc Crawford was an exceedingly offensive minded coach. Terry Murray was an exceedingly defensive minded coach. Darryl Sutter is better than Murray?  Certainly not with goalies. Is he creative? Do you look at the franchise and think of one that creates goals (no pun intended) and then achieves them?

3. Create the core of your team made up of strong leaders!  Without 5-6 players on your team, who you can always rely on, you cannot accomplish any initiative.

Strong leaders – The qualities of strong leaders, in my opinion, are communication (verbal and action), credibility (qualifications), inspiration & motivation (the ability to get the troops charged and focused) and effort (putting in 100% effort on a consistent basis so those you lead see you doing so by example). Do we have 5-6 of those players? Willie Mitchell, Jonathan Quick. Dustin Brown? Mike Richards, maybe?

I wonder what Scotty Bowman defined as a strong leader?

4. Grasp conflicts and be ready to be confrontational!  Resolved conflicts pulls everyone together more.

Not sure what to make of this. I think we have to be in the locker room to get a sense of this. However, from the outside looking in, this is a team that has responded to adversity by…falling on its face…most of the time…when it counts the most.

5.  Be critical but to not criticize!  To get out of setbacks you need strength not to sink deeper.

Sink deeper you say?

Your thoughts.



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  1. About as creative as the average ex hockey player….

    The LA Kings are one of many great examples of your average, poorly run franchise, filled with ex players and people who have been in the game all their lives, an old boys club type of thing, without having anyone with any creativity or ingenuity.

    If you watched Moneyball, the kid Jonah Hill played who had no background in baseball, but had tons of fresh ideas, the LA Kings are the exact opposite of that mentality. They are 100% experience, 0% intellect, creativity, or ideas.

    Truth be told, they probably need a “blogger” type of mind, like Surly and Scribe, or some of the more knowledgeable creative commenters. They need someone who excels at thinking about the game whether they excel at playing it or not.

    Dont have that.

  2. Surly or Scribe.

  3. CAMP UNCERTAINTY:
    How to demoralize and psychologically undermine a hockey team.
    or
    An organization that doesn’t respect its own players is not going to succeed. Period.

    It was a camp filled with indecision and mixed messages that left it clear that this was destined to be a mediocre team.

    Insecurity that they could be sent packing at any time was instilled upon half the returning players as they watched soulless underachieving flat tires like Moreau, Hunter, Penner and Fraser moved into lineup spots.

    Immature, unproven talent was showered with cash and coddled as veterans with solid histories watched with wonder. Management then encouraged a popular and very effective veteran player to walk and sign with the division rival.

    The 3rd line never recovered. The flat tires remained flat. The Kings lost their secondary scoring and their moral.

    Once the season began it became a blame game and coaching failure while in the background many players remained concerned about remaining with the club. Even Martinez had to look over his shoulder every game….and he had decent numbers. Drewiski hardly played, which was also true for the underused Bernier. Etc, Etc,

    And how many players were fooled by the hiring of Sutter?

    I think you get my drift. A total breakdown in management. The legacy has returned. Might as well rehire Pete Demers, .

    • thats a good post

      so many good points….. and i couldn’t help but wonder if the doughty signing had an affect on other players.

      so much leadership departed in simmonds and zues

    • “An organization that doesn’t respect its own players is not going to succeed. Period.”

      Oh man, yes. And obviously violates #5 on that list as well. There’s something wrong with the player when your GM has to resort to scathing attacks on him via the media, and something wrong with your GM when he can’t handle these situations privately or in a more reasonable manner publicly.

      • Yes, and guess what!! The same exact thing happened to him in San Jose. How many other current GM’s have that sort of a history with one franchise, never mind Two franchises.

        When it happened in San Jose that was the end of the line and they never recovered (until he left that is).

      • Also, gotta think all the legitimate trade rumors floating around are affecting the locker room and the players’ mindset. Makes it hard to focus when you have that hanging over your head. Could DL have handled it any better? I don’t know.

        • Not a question of handling the trade rumors better. Everyone has to deal with that. What he could have dealt better with is his absolute reluctance to draft forwards…. PARTICULARLY skilled forwards, God forbid. And when he did draft forwards they were either centers or Clifford, Simmonds type players.

          Simmer is great, but he was only gonna go so far offensively w the Kings (possibly). Other than the 2007 draft, DL avoided forwards and especially wingers like the plague. That is what he could have done differently.

          • The Simmonds/Schenn swap for Richards was a trade I’d make in a heartbeat, but I would want to have a hustling board player to replace Simmonds before the deal closes.

            From the day their names came up it seemed clear that Hunter, Moreau or Fraser would or could be that guy.

          • Well the rumors were borne out of legitimate trade discussions. DL seems to like to draw out negotiations for too long perhaps.

          • And that’s a perhaps as in I-don’t-know-but-maybe.

  4. It looks like everyone else in the Pacific Division is getting ready for a playoff run.
    What have the Kings done?
    We’ve called up prospects and waived players that we’ve given the entire season to prove themselves.
    First we waived Moreau and then sent him to Manchester, why?
    What was the benefit to our squad, did it send a message to our players or give someone else a chance to play?
    Sure it did, it gave a washed up player like Hunter a chance to show what he had left, the answer, nothing!
    So we sit him for a while acting like it would make a difference. Did it?
    Fuck no!
    So then we put him on waivers and big shock, no one in the entire league wanted him!
    Now he’s been sent to Manchester, what did that accomplish?
    Once again, absofuckinglutely nothing!
    Now, we sit Penner, the “Black Hole” of our salary cap!
    Off course, we can’t put him on waivers because someone will claim him and he will probably turn into an offensive machine just like a former King that was playing like shit all year for Carolina and as soon as he went to New Jersey he’s averaged a point per game.
    Of course I’m speaking of our old friend Alexei Ponikarovsky.
    One of those guys Dean decided in all of his wisdom along with Ryan Smyth and Michael Handzus we really didn’t need that much!!
    Good luck with that huh, Deano!!
    Now, I see a team going through the motions and I’m afraid even our star goalie has finally given up and to some point, I can’t really fucking blame him.
    We’re the only team in the Pacific Division who hasn’t done something in the last week to solidify or at least show the roster that we are planning to make the playoffs and are building for the long haul!
    Like I said on this very blog about a week and a half ago the Ducks are coming, well they’re right behind us and guess what?
    Instead of making the playoffs this year we will be competing for a lottery pick, congratulations Dean you did it, you’ve Royally fucked this franchise over and allowed us to finish in last place of the Pacific Division.
    But, it’s ok, we have a goalie of the future who will sign with someone else and defensemen up the ass who can’t and won’t play defense now, you did it!!
    Go Kings Go!!!

  5. My thoughts?

    How drunk are we getting Saturday?

  6. Bernier doughty and a first and second for ovi. Fuck it

  7. This is why I always have a favorite team in the east in addition to the kings that a I follow all year. Wow what would happen if Tampa and the kings met in the finals?

  8. I just hope the team isn’t blown up with a big trade. We still have a decent team. Dean, you messed up the team bad enough, now just leave gracefully and let someone else take over.

  9. Did Lombardi and Lewike have a big falling out over firing Murray? I think so. Is Lombardi vindictive? I think so. Is Lombardi going to sink the ship and be the first one off? Only time will tell. He does enjoy being a scout…

  10. I think the biggest issue the Kings have is that they can’t sustain any pressure. They lack players that are willing to do the dirty work down below, players that can hold off long enough for the opposing team to make mistakes, the same mistakes the Kings currently do infront of their net: leaving to help out in the corners or along the boards.

    Handzus was excellent in this, Smyth made his living by capitalizing on mistakes infront of the net, Simmonds (although, not as good) provided secondary attacks. The Kings (with the exception of the first period against Phoenix) can’t keep the pressure in the offensive zone without the blue line chipping in, our forwards have zero cycling skills…and I don’t mean skating in circles without the puck, they’re really good at that!

    The new kids on the block are large bodies, but I don’t think I’ve seen any of them use it. King had a golden opportunity to flat out one of the Avs defender in the first period, the timing was perfect, but instead he puts his breaks on and bareley touches his shoulder. Small things like that drives me nuts, none of the players are setting any type of tone to the game. There’s no urgency, there’s no sense of entitlement to the game, just a sense of collecting a paycheck.

    Sutter’s decision to play Quick was valid, Quick has bounced back from a bad game immediately in the past, so why second guess that decision yesterday? The only bad decision was not to set the goalie schedule in advance to prepare either goalie to what’s to come.

    I know Clifford’s been taking a lot of heat for his brainfart pass, but Doughty’s turn-over was waaaay worse. Sure, it didn’t result in a goal, but both him and Johnson do this way too often to have any kind of excuse.

    So, who should the Kings go after? In my opinion; any one that has some guts to their play, a warrior type mentality…I heard Ott is on the block.

    • Imo Sutter’s decision to play Quick based on his stats was valid.
      However, based on the fact that he’s a west coast goalie who has had almost no rest and has a very capable back-up (at worst) who can spell him, I think it was an absolutely atrocious idea.

      That btw is not 20-20 hindsight. Scribe and others on the blogs were saying it before the game was even played.
      And in the afternoon, I just knew he’d start Quick. I just felt that would be the case. One period in and the game was over.

      And yes I realize that Clifford single handedly gave Colo a goal w/o it being an actual own goal.

    • Sutter’s decision to play Quick was valid, Quick has bounced back from a bad game immediately in the past, so why second guess that decision yesterday?

      … By that logic, why even have more than one goaltender? I keep hearing how Quick is SO good bouncing back from a bad performance (but of course never any figures to back that up), and using that as the “logic” for a completely retarded move.

      If you’re going to start Quick after every bad game, and you’re going to naturally start Quick after every good game – why bother with having another goalie on the roster?

      Everything pointed yesterday to Bernier starting:

      – Quick started the night before, and has started 85% of the games thus far into the season
      – Quick played poorly the night before
      – The Kings opponents, Colorado, are not currently in the playoff race
      – Colorado’s offense (2.43 goals per game) is lower than the league average (about 2.65 goals per game)
      – Bernier hadn’t played in a game in 13 days, and hadn’t started a game in 18 days

      If you can’t start Bernier in that type of scenario, exactly what type of scenario would be more appropriate?

      This is just one thing, but it’s just another example illustrating how this entire organization is being run, and why it is that they are constantly unable to get the most out of the talent they have available to them. This has been true regardless of who has been coaching the team.

      Terry Murray: 12-14-3, 64 goals scored (2.20/game)
      John Stevens: 1-2-1, 6 goals scored (1.50/game)
      Darryl Sutter: 10-11-7, 55 goals scored (1.96/game)

      This is for all of the people who said that a coaching change absolutely HAD to take place. Not only are the Kings scoring fewer goals now than they were before, they’re also less consistent.

      Murray: Kings held to one goal or fewer 9 times in 29 games (31.0%) and were 1-6-2 in those 9 games

      Sutter: Kings held to one goal or fewer 15 times in 28 games (53.6%) and are 1-11-3 in those 15 games

      What can possibly be said about a head coach who can’t get more than one goal out of his team more than half the time?

      • I’m not sure that those calling for a coaching change were really on board for a replacement that was more defensive minded than the guy getting fired. I think the thought was that they needed someone that would open the system up a bit and it may have been more productive had they replaced some of the staff as well.

      • “This is just one thing, but it’s just another example illustrating how this entire organization is being run, and why it is that they are constantly unable to get the most out of the talent they have available to them. This has been true regardless of who has been coaching the team.”

        You’re REALLY gonna love this.

        From Mark Spector Sports’ Twitter @SportsnetSpec:
        “Bernier’s biggest issue, from scouts I talk to, is no one really knows his value. Hasn’t played enough to be sure of his trajectory.”

        • Bernier’s biggest issue, from scouts I talk to, is no one really knows his value. Hasn’t played enough to be sure of his trajectory.

          … What’s frustrating about this is that Lombardi and the head coaches he’s selected don’t instinctively know how something like this would be an issue.

          I would at least expect these guys to know what some of us know.

          Quick had a poor season in 09-10 and an average season in 10-11, and that was enough to convince this franchise to play him over Bernier 85% of the time, rather than to have a competition in net to actually see who was the better goalie.

          I’m at a loss as to why something this simple would be so difficult for this regime to figure out, especially when you consider the GM’s philosophy is to “build from the net out.” Apparently, taking the time to actually make sure you have the organization’s best goalie in the nets is too much to ask for someone who prizes goaltending over everything else.

      • Hey JT. Wanna grab a beer together?

        Would be difficult as I’m in NY. But I say that cause I almost always like your posts.

        In case you’ve already forgotten, here is part of what you said: ‘This is just one thing, but it’s just another example illustrating how this entire organization is being run, and why it is that they are constantly unable to get the most out of the talent they have available to them. This has been true regardless of who has been coaching the team.’

        I don’t give a toss if you’re an elite athlete and 20 years old. Try doing a cross country flight back and forth, and then going back the other way And playing goal in the nhl. You think you don’t need to let the body rest a bit? Then I say to whoever that you’re in denial or you’ll keep going till you burn out.

        DL and DS must have huge egos, because if you can’t ‘calibrate’ or allow for the travel and the demands, then I think they’d be at the very very least, better off plying their trade in the east coast where the travel demands are far less….. and that’s just another point regarding the insistence at all costs of playing Quick.

        They may both know hockey far better than I do, but I’m not sure that they possess a whole lot of common sense.

        • DL and DS must have huge egos, because if you can’t ‘calibrate’ or allow for the travel and the demands, then I think they’d be at the very very least, better off plying their trade in the east coast where the travel demands are far less….. and that’s just another point regarding the insistence at all costs of playing Quick.

          … I think the problem is that Lombardi and his head coaches are so caught up in this or that guy having enough character, heart, desire, determination, etc. They’re so full of this brown stuff that there isn’t much room left for a logical, results-based understanding of the game.

          Lombardi talks a good game about wanting players with leadership potential, yet by his actions, he shows very little leadership himself. He acquires players he doesn’t like (Penner), he belittles the past programs of players in his organization (Johnson), he talks about patience and building from the net out yet doesn’t show the patience to take the time to find who the best man in the net actually is, and he hires a coach in mid-season who carries many of the same attributes (and flaws) to replace the coach he just fired.

          And, I don’t give a damn whether he was ordered by Leiweke to make any or all of the above moves. Any GM worth his title would make damned sure that he was doing things the way HE wanted them done. If Lombardi didn’t want a player like Penner and Leiweke supposedly ordered him to acquire that player, he should have told Leiweke “why don’t you sleep it off and let ME run the hockey organization that YOU hired me to run.” Same thing should have happened when the story was leaked that Murray was on the chopping block – Lombardi should have called Elliott immediately and told her there was no truth to that rumour and that Murray was going to remain the head coach.

          If Lombardi’s hand is being forced on anything, I’ve gotta wonder here. Dean was a pretty sought after GM candidate when he was hired. Wouldn’t you think he would have rejected a contract that didn’t specifically give him autonomy over the hockey product? Why would he agree to anything else?

          It reminds me of something I saw in a movie, or a TV show, I can’t remember which – where police surrounded a museum was taken over by some crooks. The police chief who’s on the scene is then approached by a man who mentions that he’s the curator of the museum and that all precautions must be taken to not damage the priceless collection of items inside the building. The police chief listens, then asks the man “why don’t you go inside and tell those fellows that?”, to which the curator responds by asking the chief “are you trying to be funny?”, at which point the chief explains “my good man, as long as those fellows are occupying that building, you are not the cur-a-tor of anything.”

          If Dean can’t or won’t stick to his own philosophy of building this organization and allows others to make decisions for him, then he is not the general man-a-ger of anything.

      • Whoa, dude! As you probably are aware of; we’re not exactly in a position to rotate our goalies. Or, are you saying Quick is tired and needs help? Are you saying that starting your #1 back-to-back in a playoff race is bad? The Kings are not in a position to pick and choose games to play their back-ups. They’re in a race to salvage the season, if you haven’t noticed. Playing Bernier at this stage as a scheduled back-up would probably prepare both goalies, I agree. But to state that, in hind sight, it was bad decision when they desperately needed points is pretty weak.

        Your analogy of poor play could be used against forwards and defenders, are you saying that poorly performing forwards and defenders should rotate as well? I just don’t get your way of thinking, please explain.

    • I can understand the logic in not wanting to play Quick because of fatigue like last season but last season, imo, was a totally different circumstance. Last year he just had a kid. His first kid and that’s gotta tough for anyone to focus on work.

      But this year that’s not the case. So Quick plays a lot of games? When does Kopi, Richards, Brown or any of the other regulars get a night off? According to his quotes on Hammond’s blog he wanted to play.

      • When does Kopi, Richards, Brown or any of the other regulars get a night off?

        … Really? Goalies ideally play the entire game. At most, the other guys you mentioned play about a third of it. That’s a huge difference, physically and mentally.

        According to his quotes on Hammond’s blog he wanted to play.

        … Do you honestly expect Quick to say anything else?

      • It not who he is or how many years…its looking at the guy and seeing hes fatigued before the drop of the 1st puck.

        Taking short cuts, etc. This is what coaches are supposed to see…what they are being paid for.

        A hockey player, especially a Goalie, is like a dog…one is always ready to play no matter his condition, the other is always ready eat itself to death.

        • DS doesn’t seem to me to be the most ‘sensible’ of guys. He seems more a throwback to old time hockey. When he speaks he exudes character but I don’t hear lots of simple common sense in his comments.

          So translate that to how he manages his goalie(s) – there are two….. and it all makes sense.

          Remember the game after the AS break too? Everyone said play Bernier…. but not good ole DS. Of course, what does that say about the faith you have in your team…. that they can’t at home beat Columbus, because if that is the case then I’d recommend not even bothering with playoffs cause you ain’t gonna beat much of anyone with that attitude.

  11. Was just reading Jaromir Jagr’s comments on Ales Hemsky who he thinks would do well to have a change. He said the guy is super skilled. Granted it goes back to DL getting injured players, but I’d almost prefer to take a chance on a guy like that and put him w Kopi or Richards rather than take Carter for free or give away the team for Nash.

  12. I’m pretty sure that LA just got Carter from the Blue Jackets. Not sure what we gave up though.

  13. JJ and a pick to Cumbus for Carter it a done deal. Good Luck JJ but we all knew this was coming

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