Doubting Thomas…Hickey Going, Going, Waived.

Where did the 5 and 1/2 years ago? It feels like yesterday tens of thousands of L.A. Kings fans, present company included, went “WHO?!” to the announcement that the Kings had chosen Thomas Hickey as their number 4 overall pick in the 2007 NHL draft.

“Lombardi is crazy!”
“Who the hell is this guy?”
“I wanted Alzner!”

…were all spoken around Kings country. As for me, I was trying to find Thomas Hickey in the scouting reports and it took a while.

Did we lose a former 1st round pick for nothing? Yes. Was Hickey going to crack the lineup and become the next Alec Martinez? Not if Alec Martinez had anything to say about it.

This was a poor pick and, foresight or hindsight, Dean Lombardi stepped on his dick with this one. He did however draft Martinez, King and Wayne Simmonds in the 2007 draft so let’s not be too hard on Dean.

“Where did he go?!” The Lubomir Visnovskyless New York Islanders.

“Why didn’t Dean trade him and get something in return?” Maybe he tried and there were no takers. Still though, after what he fetched for Kevin Westgarth, I would think Hickey would be worth something.

Oh yeah, we also lost Rich Clune…to Nashville I think. I liked Clune. He had a cool insanity to him.

Let me check something. Checking…hold on. Yup, we won the Stanley Cup. I am over this.

Update: I just read Quispy’s article on the Hickey waiver. I liked it. I like when Quisp writes, versus the silly title without the article body thing he does. He’s sometimes like a chick with great tits that’s wearing a burka. Come on. Take off the bee keeper outfit and make a spread sheet about the direct relationship between the rise of fake tits and the fall of Islam. How the hell did we get on this topic? Freaks.

GO KINGS!



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  1. I’m just disappointed that I will never see Hickey play in a Kings Uniform but I’m happy that he will get a chance with the Islanders. I’m hoping he comes out opening night and has a huge game. You guys remember why Dean drafted him high? Because the kid has huge heart and character. He is a team guy. I watched some of his old games in the WHL, he comes to play. Hoping Hickey has an awesome career. No regrets on Dean drafting him even though Couturier went like 4 spots later.

  2. I had exactly zero reaction, emotional or otherwise, to hearing this news.

    If Hickey becomes a kick ass hall of fame defensemen for the Isle, I will not be the least bit upset or regretful, just happy for the dude. He’s had a rough ride with the injuries and all. I’ll never forget the first time I saw him play, it was the first time I saw Doughty play, Frozen Fury… 2008 I guess it was. I remember thinking “this guy looks as good as Doughty.” In that game, he did. What the fuck do I know. That’s why I get paid to things other than scout young hockey players.

  3. All GM’s strike out swinging for the fences on occasion. Dean has done an awesome job keeping this team together under the cap system. Not going to blast him for picking Hickey 4th/losing him for nothing. I’m sure he saw it coming and his hands were tied having to choose between him and Muzzin. Muzzin is in camp. Hickey’s gone. Dean toook it like a man. No excuses. No comment, but no excuses. You’re right, the Cup has earned him a pass. I bet his hands were tied, had no option. I just don’t see Dean being blindsided by this.

  4. I am old school. #1 draft picks must be developed and put into action and value of some kind is established. Then a trade is done when you know there is no space or whatever for the #1. Again it is a matter of principal. Never wind up with zip. It also can cause angst to future #1 drafts that the Kings are a risk franchise that fails to let #1s play to win a spot.
    With that said we got the Cup and now come and get it if you can. GKG!

  5. I saw Hickey a few times when he was playing in Seattle (whl) and remember being much more impressed with fellow Thunderbird Bud Holloway. I expected a first rounder to stand out and be more of an impact player at that level.
    With the rise of Marty and Voynov, not to mention Muzzin waiting in the wings, he’s probably stoaked just to have a chance to play in the NHL this year. Wish him well.

  6. Meh, it sucks to lose an asset for nothing.. especially one that was drafted 4th overall. Then again, that 2007 draft sucked as a whole, but we still came out with Simmonds, Martinez and King.

    That’s the way these things go sometimes. I see people on other boards crying about losing Hickey for nothing, but quite frankly, I could give a shit. 3 players who turned into productive NHLers, one of which was used to acquire Richards, the other 2 played key roles for LA and helped the team win a Cup.

    Thomas Hickey; never knew ya, couldn’t care less. Good luck in NY.

  7. Somebody might want to make note of a story affecting a former King – Sean O’Donnell is retiring.

  8. … This is exactly why I advocated not giving Mitchell an extension. All that would do is ensure the Kings not giving Hickey a chance to show what he can do. Really silly to waste Hickey, and for what?

    Very easy to say “don’t really care” right now. I wonder how the tune will be when Muzzin and/or Drewiske are mainstays on the defense. Pretty sure it will change.

    Let me check something. Checking…hold on. Yup, we won the Stanley Cup. I am over this.

    … Really? Welp, OK then.

  9. Pretty sure Martinez and Voynov ensured Hickey didn’t have a chance to show what he could do. Also, don’t really see what Mitchell’s extension has to do with Hickey. They aren’t the same type of player.

    Also, I doubt the tune will change much. If people really start to say ‘Muzzin/Drewiske suck, I wish we still had Hickey’… that’s beyond stupid.

    • Also, don’t really see what Mitchell’s extension has to do with Hickey.

      … All Mitchell’s extension did was close the door even tighter. Drewiske and Muzzin are getting the chances because of their size, not because of their ability or their effectiveness. We really haven’t seen Martinez go up against tough competition for any length of time. Your mention of Voynov kind of reinforces my point – the Kings nearly had to be forced into giving Slava a shot, and now look what they have with him.

      Also, I doubt the tune will change much. If people really start to say ‘Muzzin/Drewiske suck, I wish we still had Hickey’… that’s beyond stupid.“\

      … Stick around a while.

  10. Sutter seems to like to pair a PMD with more of a stay-at-home dman as we all know. Hickey doesn’t really fall in to that category. I agree that Drewiske/Muzzin aren’t ideal, but I don’t think Hickey was considered as an alternative option. So in that sense, I don’t agree that Mitchell’s extension closed any doors for Hickey.

    Now, if Voynov, Martinez or Doughty go down, then there an argument can and will be made about this whole Hickey situation. In addition, an argument can be made about mismanaged assets. Similar to the JJ situation, having a player like Voynov allowed Lombardi to trade for Carter. The same could be applied here in that perhaps Martinez/Voynov could’ve been packaged for upgrades at other positions with Hickey as a replacement. As I posted earlier, I agree that it sucks to lose him for nothing.

    But at the end of the day, we’re talking about a player who would need to beat out Martinez or Voynov for a roster spot, and barring unforseen circumstances, that just wasn’t happening. Also for all we know, DL tried to trade Hickey and got no takers. He’s had a couple of chances to make the team and didn’t. Also, for a player drafted as a PMD, he’s offensive stats suck. I know it’s not the greatest indicator of a player’s ability, but it certainly helps to make a case for or against a player’s worth.

    So for me, the story of Thomas Hickey carries little significance in my book. A wasted pick who never got his chance here and will get one somewhere else. He may carve out a career or he may end up back in the AHL. This story has been told many times and I can’t think of many that have ever had a profound impact on a team.

    • I think the one thing (person) were forgetting is Forbort, who in my (limited) time watching him has looked pretty solid and projects to be the Mitchell replacement we’re all worried we lost in hickey. I don’t like losing him for nothing, but we have other high upside defensive assets still in the pipe as well.

    • But at the end of the day, we’re talking about a player who would need to beat out Martinez or Voynov for a roster spot, and barring unforseen circumstances, that just wasn’t happening.

      … It certainly wasn’t going to happen, because Hickey never got the opportunity. So, Martinez won by default.

      Also, for a player drafted as a PMD, he’s offensive stats suck.

      … They weren’t quite as good as Martinez’s or Muzzin’s in Manchester; I don’t know if that means they sucked, but whatever.

      Per 82 games in Manchester:

      - Martinez scored 10 goals and 36 points, with a +6 rating and 46 PIM.
      - Muzzin scored 8 goals and 34 points, with a +10 rating and 55 PIM.
      - Hickey scored 5 goals and 30 points, with a +9 rating and 37 PIM.

      All pretty similar results, if we go by the admittedly weak numbers the AHL tracks. Bottom line is that Hickey was worth a look, but the Kings chose not to do that. What’s done is done. I simply feel that it’s wasteful and short-sighted.

      This story has been told many times and I can’t think of many that have ever had a profound impact on a team.

      … To me, it’s just another case of the Kings not giving a shot to a guy who isn’t 6’2″ and 215+ or thereabouts. Purcell, Moulson, Cammalleri, Hickey. It’s pretty easy to spot a trend in regards to what this organization covets.

      • Hickey got about 3 or 4 opportunities, otherwise known as training camp, ya dope.

        • Hickey got about 3 or 4 opportunities, otherwise known as training camp, ya dope.

          … Hahahaha, damn. Training Camp! Of course. Let’s base decisions on guys’ careers based on half-hearted scrimmages and shinny, stuff that means nothing.

          • Scrimmage shinny games where he couldn’t outperform his peers.

            Who said anything about his career? We are talking giving a guy a shot at the pros, and surprise! One of the biggest places for rookies to get a shot at the pros is training camp.

            Season hasn’t started yet and you are already in full blown fucktard mode.

          • One of the biggest places for rookies to get a shot at the pros is training camp.

            … I’ll kind of approach this slowly, alright? The only way a guy will get a shot at being in the NHL is with … now stay with me on this … NHL experience. And the only NHL experience worth a shit is NHL experience in games that actually count toward something meaningful. I really hope that’s not a letdown. I know that all of the devoted fans who attend practices and training camp scrimmages and shinny (of which I used to be one) want very much to think all that shit REALLY matters, and that they are such superior fans for being present for all of it. I get that; I do. I used to think that way. But, it doesn’t. The head coach and the general manager already know who’s going to get to start when the bell rings, and nothing (save an injury) is going to change their minds. They have a plan in place. It’s very important, however, for them to say publicly that spots are open, for obvious reasons.

            There’s no way of knowing what a guy is capable of in the NHL without that guy playing in NHL regular season and playoff games. Minor league results might give a GM or a coach something to look at as a ballpark figure of production, but it isn’t anywhere near an exact science.

            As for the rest of your post … pretty low effort, honestly. You can do better.

          • You seem to be confusing “having a shot” with”earning a shot”.

            Are you truly so cynical as to think the roster is so set in stone on all teams? Remember we aren’t talking about this year. This year you have the cup champs, so no shit spots aren’t really open. But 2 years ago? 3? There were spots to be won, Hickey simply never win them. Then to top it off, he spent so much time injured and when he wasn’t didn’t perform as well as his peers that when injuries happened and call ups were needed, he once again didn’t earn the shot. No gate was closed on Hickey. No insurmountable task placed upon him. He just didn’t cut it. C’est la vie.

            As for the rest of your post… Pretty low effort, honestly

            I am still groggy from hibernation and won’t be operating at full Surly for a week or so. Meanwhile your Insubordinate brand of tortured critical thinking seems to have been on a steady diet of pcp during the lockout.

          • You seem to be confusing “having a shot” with ”earning a shot”.

            … Actually, I’m not at all!

            Are you truly so cynical as to think the roster is so set in stone on all teams?

            … Pretty much! Call it cynicism if you want, but it’s more like realism.

            But 2 years ago? 3? There were spots to be won.

            … Not really. For example: Three years ago, five of the D spots were set in stone (Doughty, Scuderi, Greene, Johnson, O’Donnell) and the rest were filled in with guys who struggled in L.A. the season before (Harrold) or the guys who had the best seasons in Manchester (Drewiske, Martinez). Voynov played really well in Manchester in 08-09 but didn’t get promoted because he was only 19 at the time and the Kings specifically wanted him to acquire more experience. Hickey had only played 7 games in Manchester in 08-09, so the Kings weren’t going to play him over guys who had played full seasons there. The spots for 09-10 were earned in 08-09, and nothing in training camp was ever going to change that.

            In the end, Harrold and Drewiske split the time as the 6th defenseman and during the season the Kings went ahead and acquired a veteran to fill the spot anyway (Randy Jones) so tell me again how training camp mattered any more than fuckall, OK? Christ. Do a little fact-checking, alright?

            Meanwhile your Insubordinate brand of tortured critical thinking

            … Insubordinate! Fucking LOL. Yeah yeah, that’s awesome. But I’m not the one who’s coming up with silly rationalizations about what happened. Saying a guy isn’t NHL ready or isn’t as good as other guys on the roster without even seeing him play at the NHL level is a really dumb way to evaluate a player, period. You don’t have a problem with what happened. Good for you. There are legitimate reasons for others to have one.

          • You are having a conversation with yourself. I never said anything about him not being NHL ready. How the fuck would I know? I’ve said other guys beat him out of the spots that were available. There is nothing tragic or unjust about that.

            There SHOULD only be one spot on D open at camp. If there’s more, that’s called having a shitty team.
            And yes, insubordinate. I figured you’d like that one ;)

  11. Did Hickey not get the opportunity or did Martinez just out right beat him? Martinez’s first real call up was in 10-11; Got called up after 20 games or so in the AHL. That year Hickey played 70+ games for Manchester so I know Hickey wasn’t injured that year and had just as much of a chance to show LA what he could do.

    Using hockeydb.com, I don’t see the same stats as you for Mart, Muzzin and Hickey. Assuming we are using best season totals, Martinez had 30pts, but in only 55 games. Hickey had 26 pts in 76 games.

    Muzzin isn’t considered a PMD in the sense that we are talking about so I won’t include his stats.

    I guess the question still remains… did Hickey deserve a shot here? The players that you listed must’ve done something right as they all had a chance to show what they could do. Size may or may not be a factor, but it’s certainly proven to be one method for achieving success as LA, BOS and ANH have shown.

    • Did Hickey not get the opportunity or did Martinez just out right beat him?

      … Not saying Martinez wasn’t ahead of Hickey at that time, or that he isn’t now. He was, and is. He’s also about a couple years older than Hickey, and has the benefit of NHL experience – two pretty significant head starts. Pretty understandable.

      As for the stats, I’m simply taking all of the numbers tracked for each guy’s complete time in Manchester, and averaging them out.

      I’m not saying that coveting guys with size is the wrong way to go. It’s more of a case of my being annoyed by the silly rationalizations about why he was put on waivers. It had almost everything to do with Hickey’s size, which begs the question of why Lombardi even bothered to draft him in the first place; like I said, kind of silly all the way around. But, what’s done is done. Hickey’s an Islander now. Obviously time will tell if this was an insignificant waste of talent or not.

      • Muzzin was named top offensive defenseman per OHL. #2 defensive defenseman. In the same year. To pigeonhole Muzzin as not a puck mover is incorrect. The kid can play.

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