Put Dustin Penner on the 4th Line and Keep Him There

I swear it’s not complicated…hard work, that is. You just do it. You get out there and outwork the opponent. When you are 6’5″, 245 pounds, you already have an unfair advantage. It’s called size. When you don’t use it, you might as well be 5″10″, 160…which is what I am…and I am not getting paid over 3 million dollars to play hockey.

I didn’t get to see the whole game against the Vancouver Canucks. Had to leave after the 1st period. But what I did see is hard work by everyone other than Dustin Penner. He had a shift in the 1st period that was worthy of beer league status. And there is no damn excuse for that.

Dustin Penner has had a few good games. But he has for the most part sucked along the boards, failed or refused to go to the net and camp his giant frame in front of the goalie and has offered little offensive support. You know when I liked him best? When he was on the 4th line. Because that is where he belongs. Sometimes, you gotta smack the horse on its ass to get it to go. The fourth line is a whip, a spur or an old, broken-in boot. Bring Clifford up. Send Penner down. Be done with it.

“But, but, but Toffoli!” He’s a right wing and I don’t care for Richards on the left side. Toffoli is Nolan’s replacement, not Penner’s.

We need Richards and Carter to have some speed and net presence. We need Richards and Carter to have a power forward on their line.

Get ‘er done.



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  1. I totally agree, Penner needs a swift kick in the ass and a demotion to the 4th line. Richards should be creating offense with Carter and Toffilibon the wings. It seemed to me kopitar’s line could not get out of each other way tonight, holding those sticks too tightly too! Get it fixed boys! Beat the Hawks on Monday would be huge step in the right direction. Go Kings!

  2. Not sure its going to happen with Toffoli, The contract thing might be a reason why Lombardi would rather spare burning year one, in favor of sending TT back to Manchester to finish out his season.
    He had his cup of Joe, but at his age, he needs playing time, which he would get more of in Manchester being on a 1st line.
    As for Penner, aside from the goal(s) and that is other than the one vs PHX last season in the playoffs, he’s hardly been consistent and has been a big disappointment.
    I’m not sure what other than a loss of confidence, or a divorce, or too much time on the golf course, but those 20+ goals and 20+ assists he was doing consistently playing with less talent in Edmonton, just hasn’t been here for the Kings.
    I thought giving up a former 1st round pick, who really was a bad choice in Teubert, a #1 pick and a 3rd to get Penner would have been worth it, if he was able to continue playing and having the same numbers, maybe even better, but this just hasn’t happened.
    Unfortunately these past 2 games have yielded no goals for, and this is not the time to be having a goal drought.
    Even with a defensive mistake by Muzzin, only 1 goal scored on Quick, the Kings should have been able to at least get a point against DAL and VAN.
    Not sure what Sutter is going to do, but maybe he puts Toffoli back in the lineup, against CHI.
    No TT #73 these past 2 games, and no goals, not saying its because of TT, but 2 games, he’s not in, and they don’t score.

  3. Pens is a total beer leaguer. He plays like he’s hammered. Skates like he’s got a piano on his back. And acts like he’s allergic to the puck.

    I love how he comes down the wing with the puck and just randomly shoots it at the net without even looking at the net. The puck totally misses everything and he clears his own zone or damn close to it as the play is then clogged at the blue line. How Sutter doesn’t get frustrated with his shit is beyond me.

  4. Check out Penner’s stats. 09-10 was his best year. There’s a YouTube video of him that year scoring goals and he doesn’t look anywhere near that.

    His production with the Kings is horrid. From a guy that normally scores 20+ a season his production is basically a 1/3 of that now. Yes he did put in the game winner to go to the cup finals but the Kings took another chance this “season” and resigned him. He doesn’t wanna play hockey anymore. He wants to coast in a beer league somewhere.

  5. Toffoli is nolans replacement. Lol. TT is a 2nd or 1st line player. And penner on the 4th line is not where he belongs. Maybe for one game. But he’s been on his horse lately and deserved his spot on the 2nd. What games are you watching???

    • The ones where he cannot win a board battle, makes foolish passes, takes poor angle shots and doesn’t go to the net when the puck is above the circle

      • penners a product of the system. a fast, up tempo team will make a beast out of him. a slow team will turn him into a slow player. hes a legit 2nd liner and when the teams clicking, hes formidable.

    • He’s played 24 games, rode the pine for 7. He’s got 2 goals and 8 assists. Are you sure that’s not a donkey he’s riding cuz those numbers are dogshit for a would be regular 2nd liner?

    • … They’re watching figure skating, or perhaps Snoopy on Ice it seems. Which, don’t get me wrong, Snoopy on Ice is pretty funny when you’ve had a fair amount of beer in you.

  6. i think you should play on the 5th line

  7. Penner being an all-around schmuck is right… Ignore that game 5 we remember – and what do you get: the same old schmuck who didn’t produce in 2010-11… Those goal line shots are atrocious…scored one in the playoffs last year and his personality keeps him relevant…

  8. Penner has been a disappointment since becoming a King. He has shown just the briefest of glimpses of what he SHOULD be capable of on a consistent basis. They need to lose him, but the way he’s been playing, I’m not sure who would want him.

  9. Agree with everything you said Bobby. Penner’s lazy and you can’t bank on him showing up consistantly. He won’t be here next here next year and the 4th is fine for him until then. ANd I do think DL will get a LW for the2nd line, they need one. You can see when Carter and Richards are out on 4 x 4 or kiling a penalty they’re really good. They need a top LW who would complikent that . Richards needs to be at center.
    TT is good youing prospect, but I saw what you did on his decision making and board battles. And the Kings were scoring goals and winning games before he got here, no correlation to him not playing the last two and no goals, none whatsoever and there’s a chance he (as a rookie will) couild have made a costly mistake. This is not the ideal ltem to break in a brand new player on the top line with little NHl experience. That would be in Oct durring a reg. season. Those 2 games he p[layed could very well have been to showcase him for a trade.
    I get where Sutter sees faults in Nolan’s game but King’s played some pretty bad one too his year and Sutter doesn’t seem to see his faults.

  10. We need Richards and Carter to have some speed and net presence. We need Richards and Carter to have a power forward on their line.

    … Carter and Richards have combined for 25 goals in 31 games this season. That’s a pace for 66 goals between the two of them over a full season, which would be the second-highest combined total they’ve ever had. On a team that stresses defense, that’s pretty damned good, isn’t it? Do you know who their most frequent linemate has been this season? Dustin Penner.

    I don’t see the need to fix something that isn’t broken, and I’m kinda wondering what you expected out of Carter/Richards thus far … 40 combined goals? 80? Infinite goals?

    Penner’s scoring hasn’t been there this season, for the most part anyway, but his other numbers are quite solid and so are the results from his linemates. It’s easy to scapegoat, and that’s seemingly been Penner’s role from the moment he got here – but the moment they pull Penner from that line and insert someone else, that line’s been shit. When Toffoli played with Richards and Carter, that line was getting owned by Phoenix’s BOTTOM six.

    So, you can say Penner’s game isn’t “aesthetically pleasing” enough for you, or doesn’t have enough “artistic merit” for you … but, this isn’t fucking figure skating. It’s hockey. When he’s on that line, it’s good. When Penner plays alongside Carter and Richards, they’re more effective than when Penner’s off of the line or scratched. It’s that simple. So, as far as I’m concerned, #2 left wing is where Penner belongs.

    • Never mentioned artistic merit or aesthetics. That may have been the voice in your head against whom you were arguing. Losing board battles. Happens a lot with Penner. Foolish passes. That too. Weak shots on goal when he plays the role of F3 and he has both his F1 and F2 in a better position to receive a pass. Constantly. Failure to get to the front of the net when the D have the puck and instead hanging out on the side. Biggest aggravation, given his size. Failure to move his feet in the neutral zone. Yup. So you keep citing Corsi or whatever the fuck you want to cite and jerk off to Snoopy or figure skating and I will watch the hockey games and the players and express my opinion based on my observations.

      Side note, I also didn’t mention Toffoli on that line because I don’t like Richards on the LW. So your Toffoli hyperbole has no relationship to anything I wrote. I want Clifford or possibly even King on the 2nd line. Or for Penner to get out of this funk and play to his skill level. The latter would be best.

      • So you keep citing Corsi or whatever the fuck you want to cite

        … I sure will! Know why? It definitely beats nebulous talk about “board battles” and “failure to get to the front of the net” which isn’t even true in the first place. Penner’s usually around the net, and he usually gets double-teamed in that area because one guy usually isn’t enough to knock him away from the puck.

        I’d rather go with something that’s concrete and objective, or at least more concrete and objective than biased ramblings which amount to “I don’t like that a guy this size plays in this certain manner”, which is basically saying his game isn’t aesthetically pleasing to you – which is why I included it in my original post. I don’t really care how prettily someone gets the job done, as long as the job’s getting done. And, in the case of Penner and how he has positively affected that line, the job IS getting done.

        Again, I would ask you what it was you expected from Carter and Richards before the season started. Richards is playing better than he did last year, and Carter’s arguably playing better than he ever has in his life. I find it hard to imagine that you or anyone could have expected more from them than that. And, again, the fact of the matter is that more chances are being created with Penner on their line than anyone else – and, I’m going to keep citing the facts to back it up. If this doesn’t fit your scapegoat narrative, that’s not my problem.

        • “double-teamed in that area because one guy usually isn’t enough to knock him away from the puck.”

          Double teamed eh? So then there should be an extra man floating around ready to take that one timer or wrist shot with absolutely little to no pressure from the opposing D. If that were the case then I wouldn’t let Penner come off the ice. Just have him go to the net every single time so that way there’s always someone open.

          Penner gets knocked off the puck like he’s the lowest level division beer leaguer. Now if the guy would bend his fucking knees like he’s supposed to then he’d get somewhere.

          • Double teamed eh?

            … Usually, yes.

            If that were the case then I wouldn’t let Penner come off the ice.

            … That’s brilliant.

            As for the rest of this, Dustin Penner is on Twitter. If you want to get on and tell him how to play the game of hockey, be my guest.

          • Based on your logic of him being double teamed why not? Sure he’d be a worn out tired fuck but after the boys score two or three goals sit his ass until his services are needed again.

            Your double teaming in front of the net doesn’t make sense. No defensive pairing or center is going to double team Penner down low because it will leave someone wide open.

            As for twitter I don’t need to tell him how to play. He already knows how that’s why he’s in the NHL. But maybe I will send him this video footage of him and ask him wtf where is this guy? Who is this guy?

            In the video watch how he explodes and blows by guys with or without the puck. That’s the Penner that Lombardi thought he was getting.

        • Here’s something for your viewing pleasure. Are you seriously going to tell me that this guy in the video is the same guy on our team?

    • Did these guys get a masters degree in hockeyology? You know what these are right? Just like anything else related to statistics. They’re a bunch of number crunching geeks with too much time on their hands and so they make up these stats as another way for stat nerds to get a boner over something.

      Do these stats take into consideration that Penner’s only played 24 games and has been benched 7? I randomly looked at NJ’s 5 on 5 and #1 is Loktionov. Damn…we fucked up. We just let the next Kovalchuck go.

      Let’s be fair here and get the real picture going with TOI. All forwards have more TOI than Penner with the exception of Nolan and Fraser. If he’s such a badass, as you claim he is, then why is his TOI so shitty?

      Was he hurt at the beginning of the season? No
      Did he get injured during the season? No

      Yet his TOI is only better than Nolan and Fraser (4th liners).

      If he’s such a badass why did Sutter bench his ass for 7 games?

      Why did Sutter replace him with an AHL player? Why did he not keep Penner with Richards and Carter while having Toffoli play somewhere else?

      Yeah it’s probably cool to talk about Corsi and Fenwick and all that shit and then do you really even need to watch games to see what’s going on? What’s the point? Why not go to these stat sites, study them for an hour or so and then come up with the exact formula as to what’s really going on with the team? Shit why bother watching a game, you’ve got your game right here buried in all these numbers

  11. They’re a bunch of number crunching geeks

    … Haha NERRRRRDS, amirite?

    I randomly looked at NJ’s 5 on 5 and #1 is Loktionov. Damn…we fucked up. We just let the next Kovalchuck go.

    … He’s played pretty damn well in New Jersey. What’s your point, exactly?

    If he’s such a badass why did Sutter bench his ass for 7 games?

    … Why did Sutter break up the Scuderi/Doughty pairing? Why does Sutter have an undying fondness for Fraser? Why did Sutter second-guess himself over the goaltending situation earlier this season?

    Why did he not keep Penner with Richards and Carter while having Toffoli play somewhere else?

    … Good question. When he put Toffoli with Richards and Carter, that line was dominated by the Coyotes’ third and fourth lines. So, why DID Sutter do that?

    Yeah it’s probably cool to talk about Corsi and Fenwick and all that shit and then do you really even need to watch games to see what’s going on? What’s the point?

    … To get a better understanding of the games we’re watching? To leave no stone unturned?

    If your hockey understanding is perfect, good for you. You were one of those that didn’t like the Jack Johnson for Jeff Carter trade, right? Perfect hockey understanding!

    What’s the point, indeed.

  12. “… He’s played pretty damn well in New Jersey. What’s your point, exactly?”

    According to your stats site he’s the #1 ranked player for NJ. How bout that?!?

    “… Why did Sutter break up the Scuderi/Doughty pairing? Why does Sutter have an undying fondness for Fraser? Why did Sutter second-guess himself over the goaltending situation earlier this season?”

    Answering a question with a question and then having no real answer = you don’t have an answer to the question.

    An undying fondness for Fraser? LOL Where is that on the stats site? Otherwise your assertion is completely unfounded. I’d rather go with something concrete and objective. Sound familiar?

    “So, why DID Sutter do that?”

    An even better question. Why did he? Interesting how the head coach that took over mid season and lead the team to one of the most dominating SC runs in NHL history completely brain farted on putting Toffoli with Richards and Carter. Interesting…

    Corsi and Fenwick is hip. It’s cool and groovy shit. I wonder if those guys ever played the game. Ever skated on a sheet of ice, frozen pond, whatever. But that’s beside the fucking point…yes I was hesitant about the Johnson trade. Why? Because I didn’t know who the hell Jeff Carter was. I’ve never seen him play. I had little to no information on him. Johnson I’ve been watching for a while and I know how he plays.

    I hear a lotta people talk shit about him saying he’s a lousy minus player yada yada…It’s interesting how he’s such a lousy player and he gets a shit load of ice time. I think he was leading the entire NHL this “season” in ice time no? Kinda funny how that works out. Shitty player gets a shit load of ice time.

    I dunno but something just doesn’t seem right about that formula….

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