What Matt Frattin, Ben Scrivens and a 2nd Round Pick Really Mean to the Kings

I considered writing a farewell article to Jonathan Bernier. I changed my mind. You only live life looking forward. Today, there are three pieces to the L.A. Kings’ present and future. Let’s see what we got.

Surly gave you links and videos. I have spent the last 3 + hours reading about each player and chatting with people who have seen both players first hand. In that three hours, Dean’s reasons for going with this specific deal with Toronto came into focus.

Let me describe a player to you. 6 feet tall and a thick 200 pounds with powerful legs and torso, terrific balance and able to leverage his low center of gravity into bone rattling body checks, including against players taller and heavier than him. Tough to knock off the puck, right handed, heavy wrist shot, average hockey sense, deceptive speed (especially while possessing the puck) and is at his best when he plays with a physical edge. Plays right wing but can score just as well from the left side.

Who did I just describe?

Dustin Brown?

You are close.

That is Matt Frattin.

And if the analogy to Dustin Brown was a bit eerie, you just realized why we traded for him.

The book on Frattin reads like one where the best chapters are coming up. His background as a Sioux likely tugged on Dean’s heart-strings as Lombardi is a big fan of North Dakota’s hockey program.

What’s more, Frattin brings what Lombardi and Sutter will likely hope is not just depth for the sake of depth but lines that are built similarly from one to four. While some project Frattin to play the right side, I see the opposite. I see him eventually (although perhaps not immediately) fitting on the left side (akin to Brown) with Tyler Toffoli on his right and a playmaking center in the middle. Who is at center? Don’t know yet. Too many options at this point. Frattin played his best for Toronto when he had Nazem Kadri in the middle. And that is what a true power forward needs. A center that can open a lane with his skill and skating while the wing drives through it to the net.

Matt Frattin does have an injury past, specifically his knee. I don’t know if he’s completely healthy. He sure looked good against the Boston Bruins during the playoffs and he had to be healthy, and a little crazy, to go after Zdeno Chara as often as he did, eh? Crazy is good. Crazy built like a truck, with speed, hell-bent on flattening opponents wins playoff games.

About the Benjamin…

Ben Scrivens is a back up goalie. And before you get excited and expect me to write a detailed history of his potential to become a number one, prepare to be disappointed. I don’t have it. While Frattin has some nice chapters ahead, Scrivens is a bunch of blank pages. And that’s alright with me. We don’t have anyone in the system that is ready to play at the NHL level and back up Jonathan Quick. This fact alone has likely caused Dean Lombardi some heartburn. Now we do.

Will Scrivens perform as admirably as Jonathan Bernier? Don’t know. Goalies are a funny breed and I don’t mean funny ha ha, but funny weird. I have been told that Scrivens is intense and works hard. He does not give up on the play, which sometimes makes for some highlight reel saves. He has good size at 6’2″ and a lean 192.

What he appears to lack (from hearsay) is speed. Similar to Quick and unlike Bernier, Scrivens is a butterfly goalie but he doesn’t have Quick’s explosive foot work. He covers the low post, like butterflies do, and it will be educational to see how he deals with the Western Conference crash the crease (and bump the goalie) style as well the traffic jams that the top goalies out West have to maneuver to see pucks.

Here is a Ben Scrivens’ tribute video that makes him look good.

That leaves us with the second rounder. This one’s easy. Dean has been gold with those.

I went through an entire hockey article without cursing…fuck it, let’s keep it that way.

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  1. Really starting to like this trade. Scrivie will play his role- backup Quick. Frattin will hopefully fill the Kings need on the wing. Low salaries for this year. Really couldn’t expect better.

  2. Just for fun I went over to Pension Plan Puppets to see what they and the readers thought. The vast majority want Nonis’ head.

    • Part of that is because a lot of Leaf fans seem to think that Reimer is the answer, despite the front office searching for another goaltender for the last three years and seriously underestimate the awesomeness of Bernier. However, it is a good sign that they are upset. I was hoping for a 1st rounder so we could get Mantha, but it is still possible if package some picks. And most importantly, I trust DL. I have full confidence that the best package we could have gotten for our team, because Dean made the deal.

      • It will be interesting to see how Bernier works out in Toronto. He won’t have the LA Kings D in front of him and Bernier is not a butterfly whose strength is post to post saves. He is a hell of a talent but any quality goalie needs a good D to win.

      • Yeah, most of them seem to think he is not much better than Scrivens. I’m happy with it. Lombardi is not a fool, he got the best deal possible. I have no complaints.

  3. Not upset with the trade, just surprised NYI or Philly didn’t/ ouldnt offer a better package

  4. The question is– how much better is Bernier than Scrivens, and how much did we the Kings get to make up the difference? The truth is that Scrivens and Bernier are very close in quality to each other, very close. Especially when you know the Kings are a superior defensive club than Toronto. So to get Frattin– who has a big upside as a young, quality power forward, and a second round pick, and cap relief… this is a huge win for the Kings.

    • As backups you could argue they are close, but overall Bernier is parsecs, just look at their Kessel Run numbers, ahead of Scrivens. However, if I understand your intention correctly you are assessing their value to LA. In which case we traded the best backup in the league for one of the better backups and got a 2nd rounder and hopefully a 2nd liner, or at worst 3rd, and some cap relief. Overall very good trade, not great, but I don’t think there was a “great trade” or “huge win” out there to be made.

      • What I go by as much as the numbers– is what I see. Bernier for me, has been largely unimpressive as a King. Two seasons ago he was downright bad. He had a very good year this past season, but at times gave up soft goals and was abysmal in shootouts. I think he’s a good goaltender, but a good goaltender playing on one the premier defensive teams in hockey makes him look better than he is. The Kings covered up a lot of mistakes. I wish him the best, he was a good soldier, supportive of Quick, and rarely complained publicly, and he’ll have a fine career, but the proof that he is not an elite player is that he is not the clear number one in Toronto. Our new backup will play 15-20 games and be just as productive as Bernier, in part because of the improved team he’ll be playing on. To receive a second round pick and a top 6 winger to fill a much needed upgrade without moving any starter is a huge win for the Kings. And saving $500,000 in cap space could mean the difference between getting Scuderi and trading for an upgrade with veteran somewhere else, or not. Outstanding trade for a player (Bernier) who never started a single playoff game.

        • What Bernier does well, and what will make him an elite number one, is track the play like a Hawk and smother and control rebounds with the best of them. Yes the Kings defense helps cut down on prime scoring chances and second opportunities, but Bernier absorbs rebounds so well that he ends up doing a lot of the work that the Kings D has to do for Quick, who is more prone to directing rebounds away from harm than smothering them. Bernier slows the game down in the same kind of way Roy and Giguere did in their hay days.

          • I appreciate your passion and loyalty to Bernier– but those comparisons don’t work. He has done nothing in his career to warrant those accolades– nothing. Now maybe he will… but you just can’t compare a Bernier, who only played sixty something games over a five year period to star goalies grinding it out night after night. The Kings got an enormous return for his limited history and results. The number one goalie in Toronto played as a number one and played more than 60 games and into the playoffs. How Bernier holds up under an entire season is anyone’s guess. Yes, Bernier is good on rebounds, and yes he is a good goalie. But as good as Roy and Giguere? Way too son for that kind of flattery. And if you go back a season– he played horribly. So bad in fact that when the Kings tried to trade him no one wanted him. So fast forward one season and after playing well for a small sampling of games you’re anointing this guy as a future elite netminder. I don’t see it and neither will Toronto in the long run. The drop off between Bernier and the kid we got will be minimal.

  5. Excellent fucking analysis.

  6. Its really not here or there about bernier. He requested a trade. He didn’t want to be a backup and play 12 games a year. Quick is on a 10 year contract. The kings wouldn’t of been able to squeeze him under the salary cap. Good luck bernier. Wish you the best. Enjoy your stanley cup ring. Also scrivers numbers were ok on a bad defensive team. And he only needs to play what 10 games next year? Not sure about the 2nd line lw spot yet…the salary cap relief is HUGE in this deal. Resign clifford, lewis, nolan, ellerby, muzzin, and hopefully have either scuderi or mitchell. The mitchell thing might screw us. Can’t buy out an injured player.

  7. Can they still package a deal with king, martinez, and that 2nd round pick for Read?

    • Would love Read, in fact Im starting to change my mind like maybe we should have gone with Read instead of Frattin, but King had one bad year after he was one of the best power forwards in the NHL two years ago. And he’s an identity guy. Our whole system falls apart if we don’t have players like King. I mean it’s great that we have some speed and skill emerging in our system with Tyler Toffoli, and now adding Frattin – we need more of that, but without also having the Kings, and Nolans, and Kopitar’s and Clifford’s, our heavy forecheck system (notice the word heavy) doesn’t work.

      Remember when everyone was excited that we’d added Mike Richards, and it was like losing Simmonds, Smythe, Ponikarovsky, and Frolov before that didn’t matter because none of them were as good of players as Richards at that time? Well they may not have been star players at the time (obviously Simmonds has emerged into possibly an even better player than Richards at this point), but they were all a certain type of player that gave the Kings their identity and that fit the Kings system really well. Without them, the Kings weren’t big enough anymore to impose their will with the cycle game, and even with Richards they still weren’t skilled enough to simply skate by other teams (like the Blackhawks or Penguins for example), so they were really in a bad place.

      It adding Jeff Carter through trade, and bringing up Jordan Nolan, and, you guessed it, Dwight King to repair the forward ranks and bring back that identity better than ever for the Kings to make the playoffs and win the Cup.

      So it really bothers me when Kings fans throw Dwight King’s name out there in trade proposals like he’s a throwaway guy, because that makes worry what if Dean Lombardi buys into that mindset too? Yes, King declined this year, but he’s still a big power forward who can actually skate, and has underrated hockey sense and defense. That combination is a very difficult one to find. And even in his down year, King played a lot of the time on the second line of a team that made the western conference finals, and did his job of being the big body on that line and working the boards and playing responsible defense.

      Obviously the more dynamic quality, and the scoring touch, was missing this year, but it’s only his second year in the NHL. We’ve seen the ceiling for this guy, and when he’s playing at his best, he’s a huge asset to this team, and at a GREAT price.

      The focus should be on getting King’s game back to its best level, like in 2011-2012, not trading him. Maybe he nursed some sort of injury this year, in which case he needs to be allowed to get healthy. Maybe he let his success get to his head, which happens a lot (ever hear of the sophomore slump?), in which case he’ll learn from that, and maybe the Kings strength trainer needs to work with Dwight King over the offseason.

      Either way, if the Kings can get him back to himself for next season, he will be a big asset, and a huge bargain at his low cap hit, for the Kings next season, probably more valuable than even Matt Read one for one.

      So we need to get this guy back to playing his game, not trade him.

      • Mrconcisemice….what you fail to see is that Frattin is a heavy player as well. He plays his best hockey when he is physical and I can guarantee you that he is a heavier player on the puck than King is. If we can land a player like Read I say do it in a heart beat. King was terrible this year and we will still have Frattin, Clifford and |Nolan that fits the big, physical role.

        The kings need to adapt, the Hawks destroyed us and guys like King were exposed out there against their speed and skill.

        • My line up would be:

          Brown Kopitar Williiams
          Toffoli Richards Carter
          Frattin Stoll Lewis
          Clifford Fraser Read

          Doughty Regehr
          Voynov Mitchell
          Muzzin Greene


          You could change out Fraser for a guy like Vey with no real change to the cap hit. Also with this lineup we are $2 mill under the cap, and have a nice combination of speed, skill and size throughout the lineup.

          • This makes no sense, first of all that is not enough to get Read (Flyers were offering him for Bernier). Second of all, Read is an UFA after this season so the Kings would not go after him. Thirdly, Read would not play a 4th line role; that is insane!

          • Actually its not insane, Read is a UFA so I think for a team like philly with cap issues a two for one trade plus a draft pick isn’t bad (King, Martinez and a 2nd) as crownroyal suggested above. I would rather take a gamble on a ufa (Read) than watch King out there for one more season. Also I think there is a great chance of him re-signing for a decent price based on him only having ONE good season and the \Kings being cup contenders.

            As for him playing on the 4th line, use your brains fuck head that is where I just put him for the sake of argument. His positioning in the lineup would be based on chemistry and sutters faith in his abilities. Remember genius he was a third liner in Philly and they were one of the worst teams in the league.

            Obviously this trade scenario won’t likely happen but it is a good idea to try and make it happen if your DL, especially based on our cap issues.

          • Read is a valuable asset, he scored 24 goals just a season ago, was 4th on the Flyers this season in goals, and 6th in points, as well as 2nd in ATOI for forwards. Also, his cap hit for next season is 900K, and as you mentioned Philly has cap issues; so he is EXACTLY the type of guy they would value highly. He was being offered straight up for Bernier. How is our 7th defensemen (an RFA), and checking forward (who scored 10 points all of last year while finishing 8th-if you don’t count Gagne-in ATOI for forwards on LA), and a 2nd (in either ’14 or ’15 Toronto’s choice) fair value?

            Look at it from the Flyers perspective: a second line winger with a 900K cap hit; for a 4th line LW, 7th defenseman, and a second rounder. So they save 150K and get a second rounder but lose a top 6 winger. Why not keep Read, and if they are out of the playoff hunt at the trade deadline trade him for a 2nd rounder? INSANE

            Then you say we can “resign him for a decent price based on him only having ONE good season and the Kings being cup contenders.” Except it would be TWO good seasons in three years, the third season being one where he was 4th on the Flyers this season in goals, and 6th in points, as well as 2nd in ATOI for forwards! If there was ANY CHANCE of him giving a discount in free agency, don’t you think Philly would then value him even further, so they could benefit?

            You are right on one thing, I am a fuck head. I am even more of a smart-ass which is why I present you this:
            18:01 ATOI for Matt Read, 2nd on the Flyers for forwards (Giroux was at 21:10). Marian Hossa (18:02), Shane Doan (18:03), Chris Kunitz (18:01), David Perron (18:00), Vincent Lecavalier (17:52), Mike Ribeiro (17:50), Saku Koivu (17:36), Jeff Carter (17:34), Justin Williams (16:59), Mike Richards (16:21), James Neal (17:28), Jakub Voracek (17:14), Tyler Seguin (17:00), Milan Lucic (16:54), etc. He was a first liner in Philly, sometimes second. Read is 5’10” 185 lbs, HE IS NOT GOING ON A CHECKING LINE! And yes Philly had a terrible record, but they were 9th in goals scored and 3rd in powerplay. So clearly their top 6 wasn’t the problem (22nd in GAA might be a clue as to what went wrong, that and paying Bryz $25.875M not to play for them anymore).

            If you’re DL, it’s probably best not insult other GMs, hey I know you wanted Bernier but King, Alec, and a 2nd are also things! Why don’t we ask for their 1st round pick too? Again, based on cap issues the Flyers would want to keep Read even more. But, it is pretty obvious that at best you are ignorant and I hope that this has enlightened you, without offending so much that you chose to use that huge chip on shoulder and internet bravado to hurl a pathetic, unprovoked personal attack. Like I said, I am a fuck head, but an even bigger smart ass; but unlike you, never the twain shall meet.

          • Nice TK. That insult came outta left field. You’re always a class act.

          • Let me know if you and he need a mediator. My mediation style is a little different than most. I beat both of you up and drink each of your beer.

      • I agree. King is really getting bashed on when he’s an excellent 3rd line playmaker. Although, it really wouldn’t hurt us to lose him as long as we replaced him with the right guy.

  8. Don’t know who the hell this Frattin kid is but any former Div I player is ok with me. Those guys are fucking gnarly.

  9. I was really excited about the possibility of Matt Frattin based on highlights I saw last year, a few portions of Leafs games I watched, the playoffs, and all that. You know how sometimes you just kind of get a feel for a player over the season if you’re paying attention to hockey in general and watching parts of their games and seeing some highlights, even if you never really follow the team the player is on for a lengthy amount of time?

    Well that’s why I was excited about him, and my sense is usually pretty accurate on those things.

    However, I also thought, for some reason, that he was only 21 years old, not 25, and that he was a former 1st round pick. I thought last season he was just emerging as a prospect, a former 1st round pick, at 21 years old, and based on how he was already playing, I saw epicness ahead.

    However in reality he’s 25, not 21, so the potential isn’t as high for future improvement. And after going back and watching some Leafs games since the trade, I feel I was right about his ability to make really nice plays with his leg strength and deceptive speed and skating off the rush, and was also right about his knack for finding the right spot, and his shot, however his overall top speed and top end skill are not quite as high as I remembered. His hands, they’re definitely capable when he gets the puck, and it’s not like he’s Trevor Lewis or anything, but they’re also a bit loose and just not really flashy at all. There are guys who don’t exactly have flashy hands all the time, like Mike Richards or Dustin Brown or Logan Couture, but when they want to, can dangle it really fast actually. That’s sort of how I thought of Frattin, but now I’m not even sure he’s at that level. They’re just a bit loose, like even though he seems very capable with the puck on his stick, and he makes nice plays sometimes, the puck just doesn’t stick to his blade constantly like you see with the highest skill players. There’s some space in between when he goes back and forth over the puck with his stick like he’s not a total natural.

    Saying all that, it’s really hard to tell because the Leafs were barely playing him. It was really difficult to scout the guy watching these games because they would put him out every like seven shifts, and for really short periods of time. Most games I watched he got about 11 minutes of ice. And to his credit, even in those games, almost every one there was at least one play he made out of nowhere where he either scored, created a goal, or almost created a goal. And he doesn’t do it in the normal way where you see some flashy players able to make things from nothing, but it’s kind of this unique thing to him where he seems to have this leg strength and low center of gravity where he can sort of worm by defenders down the wing even when they look like they have good position against him and just get enough by them by getting low and pushing the puck behind them that he can get his stick on the puck behind them and make a play.

    So I like that about him a lot, but that’s also what I was always liked about him from last year. It’s just that in my memories of that from last year, he was faster than he really seems to be, a little more dynamic.

    And what’s really impossible to tell, while he does make these nice plays and create scoring chances out of nothing off the rush in the games I saw, is how well he cycles and plays the half court game. With the 11 minutes of ice time they were giving him, and the short shifts, fragmented shifts where they would ask him to come off the ice early for Kessel or Lupul, there were whole games where I didn’t really get to see him touch the puck behind the opponent’s net with a chance to cycle. I mean one thing is the Maple Leafs don’t play that style as much as most other teams, they actually play a lot more on the rush, but mostly he just wasn’t getting steady ice time, so it was hard to tell. But what I will say is I also remembered him being bigger, stronger. His leg strength is definitely underrated in the way he can get low and still maintain balance on his skates, but it doesn’t seem to materialize as much in explosive acceleration the way I thought, and he just looks smaller than I remember, not as much of a power forward. He’s aggressive like one, and he’ll hit people, but he’s not as big or explosive or hard on the puck as I remember. I mean Dustin Brown is a power forward, but he’s no Milan Lucic in terms of size, and even Brown seems to have a MUCH bigger frame than Frattin.

    But I always figured that. I just thought Frattin was super strong, and faster than Brown. But now I’m not sure. I saw Frattin more like a smaller, faster, more skilled Brown, or a Matt Moulson, but even Moulson is bigger and more explosive than Frattin.

    So now that I’ve revisited Frattin’s game, I’m starting to think we should have traded for Matt Read. I decided to watch a Flyers game right after watching a Leafs game, and it’s clear that, contrary to what I thought before, Read is actually much faster and more explosive and agile than Frattin, and definitely flashier hands, while Read also has a great shot a lot like Frattin. But Frattin’s only advantages then in reality, unlike I thought before, are his slightly bigger size than Read, his slightly harder game (but Read plays bigger than his size too), and maybe his knack for being in the right place at the right time to score, and his unique move down the wing putting the puck behind the dman and going low to get around them. But otherwise if you ask me now after further review who the more obvious top 6 forward is, and who the sure thing top 6 forward is, it’s definitely Read. Now with Frattin being 25 not 21, and not as fast or explosive as I thought, I’m not sure we actually got a top 6 forward after all, or one who ever will be. If he were 21, I’d say he was going to get bigger and faster and it would only take another 5% or 10% physical and skill improvement for him to really be an explosive top 6 forward. But at 25, I’m worried he’s topped out just below that threshold, where we’ll see some good plays here and there, but overall he’ll just be a 3rd line guy who is not quite big enough, fast enough, or skilled enough to be a top 6 guy.

    And if that’s the case, and we still need to add a real top 6 forward even though we wont have the cap space if we resign Scuderi (which is why we shouldnt resign him then, unless we’re going to trade Regehr then right after signing him, which doesn’t seem like DL’s MO), that’s disappointing in return for Bernier.

    • Saying all that, at worst Frattin is someone with the perfect style, and the perfect low cap hit, to at least be a real asset for the Kings on the 3rd line. So if they can manage to add someone else for the second line, they will have nearly a perfect team. For example:

      Brown – Kopitar – Williams
      Elias – Richards – Carter
      Frattin – Stoll – Toffoli
      King – Lewis – Nolan

      Muzzin – Doughty
      Mitchell – Voynov
      Scuderi – Greene
      (With Regehr traded or bought out)

      This team would have to shit its face not to win the Cup. It’s a dream team, and that roster is completely possible, whether with Elias or someone comparable, even if they’re cheaper. That’s why I’m so hard on Lombardi sometimes, because he’s literally brought us to a point, based on his good work in the past, where we could have a dream team, a complete team in this LA Kings style with basically no weaknesses, and basically the ideal player in every single spot on the lineup card like you’d want it. He just has to make the right final moves. And that’s why I was so pissed about the Regehr contract, because we’re so close to having that dream team, and then he wastes the money on an average player at best when all he has to do is maximize the remaining cap space on one of the impact free agents out there, really any of them that fit the bill, and we will have a complete dream team in this style.

      So if we can do that, then no matter what, this trade will have been good. But if he doesn’t add a top-six LW in free agency, then Frattin will have to be that guy, and 24 hours ago I definitely thought he would be, but now I’m not as sure he has quite the top skill level to do it. Definitely a unique player who almost has it, but I’m not sure he does. I think he might just be 10% slower, 10% smaller, 10% less explosive, and 10% less skilled than a true 2nd line scorer.

      And if that’s true, Dean needs to go get a real 2nd line wing, or Frattin needs to hit the gym like mad this offseason and make himself faster and stronger.

      • Elias really?

        • I know, we should sign Iginla instead! Since apparently there is now no cap next year.

          • Elias was just an example. However, this is the problem with the fans. Always thinking small. Always thinking why we can’t do something, why we can’t build the dream team, instead of figuring out how we can.

            For example, we have nearly $7 million in cap space currently. Penner, Richardson are gone. Fraser is traded or waived, so now that’s $7.5 million in cap space. Clifford gets maybe $1 million, Lewis gets $1.5 million, so now we’re down to $5 million in cap space. I’d like Nolan, but building a dream team makes tough decisions, so maybe I won’t be able to in the end. But for now I’ll say keep him at Dwight King’s rate of $.75 million, now I’m down to $4.25 million.

            First, leaving everything as is, $4.25 million isn’t enough to sign, if not Elias, “an” Elias? Plenty of good top 6 forwards on the market who, with the cap going down, you can get for $4 million per year. Hell, maybe even Elias, since he’s towards the end of his career, and may want to win a Cup. I mentioned in my post he was just an example, and since he’s probably going to sign for around $5 million, and we’re going to have around $4 million in cap space, I don’t see why you’re acting what I wrote is so ridiculous when it’s just $1 million off, and I explicitly said he was just an example.

            But you don’t want just “an” Elias, just like you don’t want just a good top 6 forward, and just a great team. No, you’re a motherfucking LA Kings fan, and you want a super team! You want Elias!

            Well, baby, let’s make it happen.

            Our defense, with or without Mitchell, but especially with Mitchell, but even without him, is better than most, and is definitely Cup worthy even without Mitchell provided you put a stacked forward group in front of it, which I’m about to do (in my post), and a great goalie behind it, which we already have. However given that he already appears to be on the road to healing, and skating, and we have four months until the season, I’m taking the gamble that he’s going to be healthy.

            What does this mean? Bye bye Robyn Regehr. That was a really stupid contract, I’m getting rid of it. Option 1 is trade, otherwise I amnesty buy him out. Now I have $7.25 million in cap space.

            My defense is…

            Muzzin – Doughty
            Mitchell – Voynov
            Martinez – Greene

            Resigning Martinez takes me from $7.25 million in cap to $6.25 million.
            The 7th defenseman will be whoever the best guy in Manchester is, or I can sign someone in free agency, like hell Scott Hannan works as an example seeing as he signed for literally the minimum in Calgary two seasons ago, for cheap, which would take me down to $5.75 million.

            And that’s as good as any as to what it would take to sign Elias, so it works.

            But you’re a naysayer! No way we can just assume Mitchell is healthy! It’s easy to say “you’ll risk it” in an internet comment, but when you’re the GM of the Los Angeles Kings, you can’t just do that!

            Fine. Mitchell is injured or presumed so, so I’ll take that extra $3.5 million in cap space, thank you very much, with him on LTIR, which, with Regehr back (since if we’re doing it the naysayer way where we can’t risk Mitchell not being healthy, we have to keep Regehr), meaning instead of $4.25 million in cap space, I have $7.75 million, which goes down to $6.75 with Martinez, and $6.25 with Hannan or an AHL call up if I ever need a 7th defenseman. Even easier to sign Elias or even Iginla!

            But you’re still a naysayer! You say we have no way of knowing Mitchell will stay injured all season, so I can’t just do that!

            Then I say, wait, are you seriously advocate we stay $3.5 million under the cap all year, and waste a serious chunk of cap space, just in case Mitchell comes back? That’s a recipe for wasted potential, and not good cap management or management period. The cap just went down a ton for next year thanks to the lockout, and now you want to choose to push it down another 3.5 million. That’s contention suicide. Instead, because Mitchell is a better, wayyy better version of Robyn Regehr, I keep Robyn Regehr until Mitchell comes back (in this naysayer scenario), and then trade or waive him when Mitchell comes back to make the cap work, which would give me the defense roster of scenario #1.

            So no matter which way you cut it, it can work.

            But, it’s fitting that when you try to build a super team that there would be a SUPER naysayer to try to tear it down, and I can tell that I still haven’t convinced that super naysayer. That super naysayer is going to say I undercut Clifford’s salary estimate, and Lewis’, and maybe even Martinez. Maybe he’ll even say that he wants his 7th defenseman to be better than Scott Hannan, because we all know 7th defensemen are more important than top six forwards like Elias, and we all know it was Keaton Ellerby’s fault Chicago beat us.

            What do I say? Well, I disagree, and even if I did undercut some salaries by a few hundred K, my scenarios don’t break apart depending just on on a few hundred thousand bucks in cap space. The point is that there $4 million minimum to sign a top six forward in the offseason, potentially more, and Lombardi would be wise to use it, and use it on a top six forward, not Scuderi, even if this requires trading Robyn Regehr.

            However, EVEN IF I undercut some potential salaries to the Kings RFAs (and remember all these numbers have been with Jordan Nolan INCLUDED, so it would be even more if you let him go!), and hell, EVEN IF you keep Regehr AND Mitchell plays, you can still make it work in a way that helps the team.


            I love you buddy, but bye bye, Jarret Stoll.

            But! But! He’s like, one of our players! You can’t trade him! He’s our third line center! He scores like… 30 points… but he’s good at faceoffs!

            Yes, he is. He’s good on the penalty kill, too, although there are plenty of good penalty kill guys who cost about $1 million in free agency, and Stoll costs $3.25 million. But, I like Stoll. He brings some other things. A little offense, but not much. Some grit, a little cycle, faceoffs like I said. I don’t want to trade him.

            However, a good GM doesn’t operate like a fan, or refuse to trade someone just like they’ve won a Cup with you, or they’re your player, or they’re a decent guy, or even if they’re your best faceoff fan. A good GM is always re-evaluating his players, and their contracts, in comparison to the cap space he has, and the players available in the market place. And if you’re going to keep Regehr and Mitchell, and then you do that, and you evaluate the whole picture, you’re going to find yourself with only $1 million to $2 million in cap space, not enough to really do anything, whereas if you trade Stoll, you will have $4+ million in cap space to $5+ million in cap space, which means the ability to add a top forward.

            Essentially, in the scenario where you keep both Regehr and Mitchell, Stoll’s contract will end up being the difference between adding a top forward, and not being able to add anyone of significance.

            From there, a good GM asks the seemingly simple, and obvious, question: Is Stoll a top forward? Is his presence on the roster worth that of a true top forward? Because that’s what having him on your team will be costing you, in this scenario.

            Put simply, would you rather have Jarret Stoll, or Patrick Elias? Or someone like Elias?

            And the answer is that it’s not close. The Kings have Kopitar, Carter, and Mike Richards down the middle. They already have a better third line center than Stoll on their roster if they can’t afford to keep him because they want to upgrade the wing. In fact, even without Stoll, the Kings are deeper at center than they are at wing, which is why it probably makes a lot of sense to move Stoll and use that space to add a wing whether you keep Regehr or not. My thinking was just, if you can do both, meaning keep Stoll AND add a top wing, why not keep that luxury? And that’s because I feel Stoll, even if he’s a luxury, is more important to me to keep than Regehr, who isn’t necessarily a luxury since we’re not as deep on D as we are at center, but I still would rather have Stoll just because good players are always more important than bad players, regardless of position.

            But right now we’re talking the scenario where we keep Regehr and Mitchell, which means if you still want to add a $5 million (give or most likely take 500k) dollar player, trading Stoll is probably your only option. Him or Matt Greene. Everyone else, meaning Doughty, Voynov, Mitchell, and Kopitar, Richards, Carter, Williams, Brown, and then the cheap guys and the prospects, I either wouldn’t trade, or they don’t make enough to move.

            So moving Greene is another scenario, but that would REALLY require either signing more cheap dmen in free agency (which don’t get me wrong, it’s totally doable), or relying like crazy on your D prospects, like Forbort (who should be NHL ready by now anyway, so like i said, it’s doable).

            But right now we’re talking moving Stoll, because who would you rather have, Stoll or Elias? And as I’ve outlined, the Kings already have three centers better than Stoll, PLUS Lewis emerged as a third line center maybe just as good as Stoll in the playoffs, minus the faceoff ability, with more speed and worse hands, AND Bud Holloway is coming back and could actually bring a lot more offense to that spot, and if you want him to develop, you need to give him a role like that, AND Linden Vey may be NHL ready, AND you can always find a cheaper 3rd line center in UFA, AND Elias can play center…

            So, I mean, this was my final scenario, and really my last resort just to illustrate even if you keep Regehr, there’s still a way to add an Elias, but the more I write this, the more it sort of makes sense to me to maybe trade Stoll just, no matter what, maybe it’s time to move him, with Holloway and Vey potentially coming up, and UFA coming up, and the cap going down.

            However, as it pertains to adding a top winger, my priority is still to get rid of Regehr. I don’t like that contract. At all. I don’t even need to look at the UFA list to guarantee that a better defenseman will get signed for less money this offseason. And now it looks like Willie Mitchell is coming back, THANK THE LORD OF HOCKEY, so in that case the Regehr contract is really a pain in the ass. And I’m actually a Muzzin fan, and I feel that when he adds more muscle for next season, the problems he saw in the playoffs won’t be as much of an issue next year, and once he has the muscle to go with his size so he can actually play his size, he’s got the talent, he should be better than Regehr, too. And Martinez will have an offseason to get back to his game. With his skating, he should, in theory, become a better player than Regehr, too.

            But mostly, we’re dying for a top 6 wing, a true one, and we’re not organizationally deep in that position, while we definitely are deep at defense organizationally, so wasting $3 million in cap space, in a year when the cap is going down, on another defensive defenseman who is on the decline, doesn’t sit well with me at all. Especially with Willie Mitchell coming back. Matte Greene is making 3 million a year, too. You really want to spend $6 million in cap, meaning Iginla or Elias money, on Matt Greene and Robyn Regehr? And when your top prospect, former 15th overall pick, is a 6’5 defenseman who is getting near NHL ready? And when you have such a gaping hole in the top 6 at left wing?

            Don’t like it, and that’s why I’d get rid of Regehr.

            But, just saying, to the super naysayers out there, that even if you keep him, it’s still possible to add that wing if you trade Stoll. And not only will that give you the cap space to add your top left wing, but don’t forget you would also get extra assets from the trade itself! So the question changes from Stoll/Elias to, which would you rather have, Jarret Stoll, or Patrick Elias (or someone similar) and two 2nd round picks? for example. Or a 2nd and a decent prospect. Or maybe you can even get your second line winger in that deal straight up, like maybe a Stoll for Matt Read type deal, although not literally because I don’t think Philadelphia needs a 3rd line center.

            So to sum everyone up, adding Patrick Elias, or maybe even Jarome Iginla, or at least someone similar, a top six winger in the $4 million – $5 million range, maybe even 6, is possible under the cap as long as you trade or waive Robyn Regehr (and don’t re-sign Rob Scuderi), or trade Jarret Stoll (and don’t re-sign Rob Scuderi). And for those that didn’t read the full post and don’t think trading Stoll is conceivable, you have to put fandom aside and realize that if the choice is between Stoll and someone like Patrick Elias, you have to go with the significantly better player, not to mention the Kings already have three centers better than Stoll, and Trevor Lewis showed he could play 3C in the playoffs, and Bud Holloway may be returning this year and he may be a better option offensively already, plus there’s also Linden Vey coming up. Or if you think our defense will be too thin without Regehr or Scuderi, you have to remember the best players almost always win out in this game, and someone like Elias or Iginla or Clarkson or Horton or whoever are much, much better than Regehr, regardless of positions, and the Kings best prospect is a 6’5″ defenseman, former 15th overall pick Derek Forbort, and Alec Martinez is still a RFA, Jake Muzzin should be excellent next year after he adds some muscle in the offseason to go with his skill, plus there are always capable, cheap defensemen in free agency, like, just to illustrate that even the cheapest ones are capable if you pick the right ones, Scott Hannan. Is he even that big a step down from Regehr? No, actually, but he’s way, way cheaper. And I think we could find someone much better, but still only 1/3 or 1/2 the cost of Regehr, if we wanted to add a dman.

            So that’s how we can add someone like Patrick Elias, and that’s why we SHOULD.

          • Gotta love those faceoff fans. Always paying extra money to get seats right next to the circles.

          • You are kind of all over the place so if I miss something, I apologize. First of all, you act like this is NHL ’13, IT ISN’T! Talk of a “dream team” is impossible in a Cap Era, and anybody who thinks they have built a “dream team” in the offseason also ends up with depth issues and unmet expectations, regardless of the sport (e.g. Angels, Cowboys, Eagles, Lakers, Wild). Secondly, I am not sure about your math: Brown, Kopitar, Williams ($13,625,000) Richards, Carter (11,022,727) Frattin, Stoll, Toffoli (4,607,500) Clifford, Lewis, Nolan (3,250,000) King and depth Press Box (1,500,000) Muzzin @ $1M, Doughty (8,000,000) Mitchell, Voynov (7,666,667) Martinez, Greene (2,950,000) Hannan @ the “league minimum he signed for two years ago” (1,000,000) Quick, Scrivens (6,350,000) money from Toronto (-500,000). Total: $60,471,894; leaving $3,828,106 (and no Vey or Pearson does not help the cap because either one would count over $900K against it, also if we spend to the cap and King or Toffoli, or Frattin, or Nolan go down; we can’t bring either of those two up)
            So, $3.8M NOPE top 6 wingers ain’t coming to LA. Maybe we can convince Scuds to come back for that money? But wait! We just bought out a contract of a pending UFA who we resigned during the year, if you follow baseball this is known as a Marlins-esq. move. One that while it “helps” your team it kills your ability to sign free agents (even NHL ’13 knows this!). Also, DUDE GET OVER THE REGEHR SIGNING IT WAS A GOOD MOVE!!!!!
            The Kings are a defense-first team, losing all of our defensive defensemen in one offseason was unacceptable. We saw how terrible we were to start last year, which was why! So instead of running the risk of not having Scuds, Mitchell, or Regehr DL brought back Robin. Yes, I would rather have Scuds resign (DEAN TRIED! Scuds balked, Dean moved to plan B). Seriously, for someone who thinks they know what a “good GM” does you clearly are missing the boat here! Also, Forbort NHL ready, despite never playing in a professional camp even! Yep, NHL ’13 GM here! Besides, remember how long Voynov played in Manchester, the Kings like to over season guys in the AHL, not rush them and then suffer.
            So we are onto your “trade Stoll or Greene” idea. Well, as for Greene, we all saw how well not having him last season worked out so I don’t think anything more needs to be said about that. Stoll, $3.25M; trade him and have $7,078,106 for a top 6 winger and third line center! Afterall, “you can always find a cheaper 3rd line center in UFA” YEAH, Like Gaustad last year, oh wait $3.25M! Or how about Hudler, nope $4M! Jokinen? $4.5M Oh, but surely this offseason! Well, let’s say it’ll take $5M to get that top 6 winger; that leaves $2M under the cap (with the noted problems above) but let’s ignore that for now! Connolly, Roy, Antropov, Lombardi, Weiss, Malholtra, Zeus; maybe one of them for $2M? Given the lack of depth this offseason at center, most will find more money elsewhere, or are very injury prone. So anything remotely realistic leaves us with Malholtra.
            So thanks tour copious amount of moves, where do we stand?
            Brown Koptar Williams
            Elias Richards Carter
            Frattin Hanzus Toffoli
            Clifford Lewis Nolan
            King Depth player

            Mitchell (or Scuds) Doughty
            Muzzin Voynov
            Martinez Greene


            Have we actually improved? Sure Elias is nice (and we did an amazing job of selling him on leaving Jersey to make the same amount of money), however we have a 3rd line center who realistically we can’t expect to play 82 games, and no cap room to bring up our best AHL players, if King or Toffoli, or Frattin, or Nolan get hurt, and our blueline is very young and thin, and by very I mean remember how bad Quick looked at the start of 2013. Congrats, now this defense will make us look that bad again. We are not the Flyers, we do not blow up our team identity to get a little scoring. I’d much rather let a young guy learn on the fly with Richards and Carter than as our defensive defenseman on our second and third pairing, and causing a major dropoff on our third line center, while killing our ability to make any subsequent moves. Like I said to start, this “Dream Team,” ends up with depth issues and unmet expectations.

          • That was a typo putting Zues on the third line, I was thinking at first we could afford him, then realized that at $2.5M this season and last, he is to rich for our blood in this scenario.

          • You’re getting caught up on… nothing. There’s no such thing as a dream team in real life, only NHL 13? Guess what, there’s no such thing as a dream team in NHL 13, either. First of all, the rosters in NHL 13 are supposed to be based on the rosters in the real world, so if they aren’t “dream team” worthy in real life, they wouldn’t be in NHL 13 either.

            However, I understand that what you’re referring to is manipulating the rosters in NHL 13 to resemble an all-star team. But still, there is no such thing as a “dream team” unless you’re asleep and dreaming and you dream about a team. That would constitute a team inside of a dream, or a “dream team.”

            Otherwise, it’s just an expression, one that could mean anything from a team with no obvious holes, to the best team in the last five years, to the best team of all-time, depending on the context.

            If I wasn’t clear enough in explaining what I meant by the phrases dream team or super team, I apologize. I thought the context would suffice. I meant it as, the best team we could possibly built under the current cap this year given the core that is already in place and the contracts we already have on the books, without requiring anything crazy to happen like some huge unrealistic trade or Jarome Iginla signing with us for 1 million dollars a year because he wants to win the Cup.

            The whole exercise was simply to illustrate the fact that if you manage the cap correctly, we can still sign an expensive free agent forward like Patrick Elias, or Nathan Horton, or anyone else costing from $4 million to $6+ million (depending on the scenario), as long as we trade one of Robyn Regehr or Jarret Stoll (or waive if we have to, or is that not allowed under the new CBA? Then amnesty buy out as a last resort). And, that, while most hockey fans would know instinctively that adding Elias, Iginla (maybe, if he’ll sign for the $5 million range), or Horton would easily be worth losing Regehr especially but even Stoll, for the ones that aren’t certain of that without having to at least think about it for a little, I explained the situation at center with Kopitar, Carter, Richards, potentially Lewis and Holloway, and Linden Vey, plus if it’s Elias you sign he can play center too, and therefore we are much deeper at center than wing, so losing your third line center for a first/second line wing not only makes sense in that you’re trading a third liner for a top-six liner, but also in that you’re trading from a position where you have plenty/too many players for a position you don’t have enough. So that’s why it works so well with Stoll, if you must go that way, and then I also explained why it’s worth it with Regehr, too, beyond just that he sucks and the guys we could sign if we got rid of him are way better players.

            So that was basically the point of my post, just you have to read the whole post to see all the contracts attached to each player and see why it works. But the conclusion was that if you get rid of Regehr or Stoll, you will have room to add the one glaring missing piece on our team, another skilled, elite top 6 forward, and that doing so would very clearly be worth it. And because that’s the only hole on our team, and filling it would create a team with no noticeable holes, and strengths in nearly every area, that’s why I referred to the exercise in the context of “how to build the super team.” What it really means is “how to add an elite top 6 forward in free agency without losing any key players we can’t afford to lose.” And I’ve shown how that is possible. So anything else you got out of my post or have issue with, it wasn’t the point so let’s not even discuss it. Let’s just focus on the fact we can now sign Horton or Elias or someone like that! It’s actually great news! So that’s why I talk about naysayers, because this is actually fantastic news for us, but everyone just wants to pretend like “oh no Dean can’t do anything. It’s sad. All we can hope for us keeping the team together. We can’t get better :( It’s too bad about the salary cap. Don’t expect anything :(”

            It’s like, that’s not true at all. Do we want to improve the team, and win another Cup, or not? Because if we do, sometimes it takes thinking out of the box, and making multiple moves to put yourself in a position to be able to add the player you want. It’s like people just look at the cap space number like zombies and say, well, looks like that’s not enough. Too bad…

            No, that’s not how you improve a team, that’s not how you build a dynasty. You need to always look to improve, and re-evaluate what you have, and your contracts, every year, and compare it to the market place. So for example if you see Jarret Stoll at 3.25 million on your books, but Patrick Elias going for 5 million on free agency, you have to re-evaluate and ask, who is better value, Stoll at 3.25 or Elias at 5? And there can be no bias in this, no giving Stoll extra value because he’s on your team, and you’re a Kings fan, or you’re Lombardi and you know Stoll personally, and you know his girlfriend, and you know he likes LA, or whatever any of that stuff can be, and you don’t want to uproot him. That’s putting one player ahead of the team and what’s best for the franchise and what’s best for winning. Can’t do it. If you determine Elias is better value than Stoll, but you still would like to keep Stoll and have both of them if possible, then the next step is, can we have both? Is there someone with worse value than Stoll we can move to make the room? And maybe that’s Regehr.

            But whether it’s Regehr or Stoll, once you determine Elias, or Horton, or whoever is better value at 5 million per year than they are at their contracts, and once you determine the only way to get 5 million in cap space is to move either Regehr or Stoll, then nothing else should matter. Not that you signed Regehr recently, not that you think he’s a good guy, none of this bias that prevents you from putting the best roster on the ice on opening night. I mean Dean probably only resigned Regehr because he thought Mitchell was done. But now he’s had a turn around and looks on pace to play next year. So, you have to correct for that, and get rid of Regehr now, for example.

            So that’s how it’s supposed to be done. You look at all your contracts on your team, and ask yourself if there’s anyone you can sign in free agency at the same price who would be better, or at the same price plus your remaining cap space, would be enough better…

            But most fans, and most GMs for that matter, don’t know how to do this, for whatever reason. They just look at the cap sheet and think, well, we only have 2 million left after we resign so and so, sucks to be us… too bad… oh well…

            Then make more cap space! Take whatever contracts you have that are the worst value on the team, or the most replaceable, and trade them! Then replace them with someone better! Or replace them with someone better and then trade them afterwards for a little less given the loss of leverage if you’re worried about the risk you won’t be able to sign anyone afterwards!

            So that’s what I was saying, if you see what I mean.

          • To be clear the “waive if we have to” (or amnesty if waiving doesnt eliminate the cap hit anymore) is only supposed to apply to Regehr. There’s no way we would have to waive Stoll, someone would trade for him.

          • Did you purposfully ignore everything after my first point, or did you just forget about 99% of the content of my post? I was not trying to argue semantics of “dream team.” I was trying to clarify that your math is wrong and that it’s not as simple as “you have to re-evaluate and ask, who is better value, Stoll at 3.25 or Elias at 5.” No, it’s Stoll on the 3rd line and Toffoli on the 2nd, and King on the 4th; or Elias (again he’s not leaving Jersey, especially for that money, but for fun why not?) and Malholtra on the 3rd, and King in the pressbox. Also, the later scenario, which you propose thins out our defensemen. You are trying to comment on the culture of fans and most GMs, but the example you cite is VERY FLAWED. You insult fans and GMs saying they can’t see past the cap sheet, and you can’t seem to see past the top 2 lines.

    • He’s only played parts of two seasons. Even though he is 25, I think there is plenty of room for growth. He’s just hitting his prime. I am not remotely worried that he’s hit his ceiling.

  10. Couldn’t commment on your Jamie Kompon “article”, so will say it here: He just won another cup. you can suck it.

  11. Off topic but I’m proud and very happy for one of our old warriors. Congratulations to you, Mr. Handzus! Well deserved, sir!

  12. Hey Bobby, Surly, I’d like to submit the comment I just published as a guest blog here, provided you don’t guys don’t dislike it. I can dress it for publishing and of course change the introduction to one of a blog instead of a direct reply to the above comment like it is now.

    Please let me know here I’ll check back asap.

    • Email it to us. Tell me here when you have done so. Email is on the contact us page. Make it good and we’ll consider it.

      • Ok I will email it in the next couple days when Ive done my best to perfect it. Thanks for the consideration. If it’s not up to your standards in the end I’ll also understand.

    • I like to hear everyones ideas but, Mrconcisemice, you must stop penning a three day mini series per response. You loose me and many others after the forth paragraph. I can’t argue with your passion, though.

      Any ideas on who we might target this weekend? Anyone worth mentioning in the 55-60 range that might fall our way? The one thing I dislike about hockey, is the inability to follow/watch the young men that are about to be drafted. World Juniors is not enough.

      I don’t know what it is about drafts but I love watching them. I watch every televised draft regardless of sport.

      • Eric Comrie-G (WHL) 6’0″ 175lbs; 7/6/1995
        Strong glove, good lateral movement, and quick feet; but needs more lower body strength to improve lateral movement. Well rounded goalie with strong ability to track the play and very good reaction time. Hybrid goalie, who needs to work on rebound control. Great bloodlines, half-brother of Paul & Mike. Was shut down in January with a hip injury, and has now had surgery on both hips. However, completely cleared medically. Once thought of as a first round selection, but injury might cause him to fall with a deep draft class.

        Jordan Subban-D (OHL) 5’9″ 177lbs, RH; 3/3/1995
        He’s a good passer, stick handler and can really control the puck once he gets it on his stick. However, average at best defensively. However, improvement in terms of positioning, gap control can be learned and it appears his desire to win at all costs means he is willing to learn. If this reminds you of another guy named Subban, it is because PK is his older bother who thinks Jordan may eclipse him as the better player in the NHL(take that however you want, I advise a big grain of hyperbole salt; but I’d say that about predicting a Norris for any draft prospect). Small, but doesn’t ever back down, isn’t afraid to be physical, and likes to go for big hits, which he is better at than his size indicates.

        Mike Downing-D (USHL) 6’3″ 186lbs, LH; 5/19/1995
        Has physicality, a quick stick, long reach, mobility, and skill. Has potential to develop into a strong defensive defenseman who will control areas with his stick and physicality. Committed to Michigan, and Dean loves college guys.

        Emile Poirier-LW (QMJHL) 6’1″ 183lbs; 12/14/1994
        Excellent instincts and superbs hands and wrister. A power player who never stops working, with commitment and smart play everywhere. Plays tough, makes good offensive zone reads as a playmaker and he knows where to position himself off of the puck. Skating is controversial, as some praise it, others say agility & finer points need work. Has fought through some injury issues.

        Anthony Duclair-LW (QMJHL) 5’11” 160lbs; 8/26/1995
        Once thought of as a sure bet first round selection, but development didn’t keep pace with a deep draft class. Good release and accurate shot which he can use at top speed, electrifying speed. Needs to build strength and aggressiveness.

        But like you alluded to, that late you never know. All these guys plus someone we thought would go in the 1st round could be there or none.

  13. Just knowing DL has a chance of resigning Scuderi is a testament of his brilliance. I was thinking there was a 0 chance of that happening.

  14. It’s been a couple of days since you wrote this, and I hope it’s not too late, but I think this was a great article and analysis. Makes me hopeful. Thanks, Bobby.

  15. Surly or Scribe, or anyone, what do you think of having a sheltered scoring-type fourth line? The top 3 liines already play ridiculously good defense. So, Why not?.
    The other, how do you feel about going with Kopi- Carter- Richards- Stoll down the middle, we have the ability to fill out the wings, and roll the lines relatively equally. Which team could match that depth?
    Just curious on your thoughts.

  16. Richards-Carter-Clutterbuck. That would be a nasty line!

  17. Nobody interested in this draft? I know we don’t have a first this year, but the dynamics of this draft is going to be exciting. Deep draft, big name buy-outs, cap going down forcing GM’s to think about players they wouldn’t otherwise. Kings may not have a high draft pick but I can see them involved in some mid-size trade. The anticipation is killing me

    Rumors have SJ interested in my guy Clutterbuck…nooooo!

  18. You tube Valentin Zykov. his highlights are all over YouTube. I like to trade I like the pick, This kid looks awesome. A fantastic finisher. Good size, speed, and a battler. I am very happy with this pick.


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